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Global_Hi_Flyer Feb 6, 2013 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by saulblum (Post 20190430)
http://www2.tbo.com/news/travel/2013...-mi-ar-625804/

Whaddaya know? Managed Inclusion was a rousing success at Tampa and will now be expanded nationwide.

TSA mind-readers and dogs successfully identified passengers who were not hiding bombs in their shoes.

Who would have seen that coming?

So, let me see if I have this right: The BDO and interrogation program at Logan and other airports, which was used to harass people and force them through extra screening (and garnered complaints) got a rocky reception. Instead of admitting that the program was a failure and that the BDO process is flawed, the agency has decided to try the "carrot" approach by giving special privileges & reduced screening to folks that are willing to "voluntarily" be interrogated.

I find this laughable: a FSD that can look at anecdotal information and render an opinion that a "scientific basis" exists. I'd sure like to see his credentials to support that opinion, especially when real scientists have debunked the theory.


However Milano said Tuesday his appraisal of numerous reports is that there is a scientific basis that supports the efficacy of behavior detection principles.
So what happens if you decline the interrogation after being "chosen"? Do you get a retaliatory SSSS (like Boston), or do you proceed through normal screening? Are you still allowed to "opt out" of the strip-search machine? Will pre-check approved passengers be forced through the interrogations even if they get the magic 3 beeps?

As for lengthening the pre-check lines, in my observations the pre-check screeners are severely underutilized. The passengers would be FAR better served by allowing pre-check for PNRs that have international segments, especially a final domestic connection segment. More misplaced priorities by the TSA.... and more attempts to justify the BDO hokus (after all, the agency will use the deployment of more BDOs for a "carrot" approach to justify to Congress their confidence in the program).

Andy Big Bear Feb 6, 2013 4:19 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 20192276)
Sarcasm? I sure hope so!

Yes, see Kentucky Fried Movie. :)

Narrator: Brutal! Savage! Beyond Perversion!
Klahn: We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude.

Yah, I think of John Pistole as having a lot in common with Dr. Klahn.

FlyingHoustonian Feb 7, 2013 12:51 am


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 20197069)

your posted photo leads me to post this quote (which is not really a Godwin's law as it is not referencing National Socialists per se)


Originally Posted by Hermann Göring
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders .That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

He mentioned it after the war at Nuremburg (Nürnberg) and I believe it does ring true in many situations throughout history up to the present day.

FliesWay2Much Feb 7, 2013 8:06 am


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 20195954)
Wow, Gary Milnao is not only the FSD in TPA, he also has the credentials to supersede the National Academy of Sciences. Must have a heckuva resume. :rolleyes:

Since you asked....


Milano holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in philosophy, a master’s degree in American history, and a Doctor of Law degree, all from St. John’s University.
If he disagrees with the National Academies, he will simply sue them.

petaluma1 Feb 7, 2013 9:44 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 20202739)
Since you asked....



If he disagrees with the National Academies, he will simply sue them.

He couldn't make it as a lawyer (or he couldn't pass the bar) so he joined the TSA.


:p


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