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Originally Posted by CDTraveler
(Post 19290850)
:confused:
What is it you are trying to say? |
Originally Posted by marvanit
(Post 19289358)
The government is mandating that we fly????
The airport is merely one example. Then there are the train stations, the interstates, the bus stations, the subways, and the cruise ship terminals. I'll pre-emptively answer your next straw-man - no, the government doesn't mandate that you ever leave your house, either. Unless they're doing mandatory evacuations, anyway. |
Originally Posted by TMOliver
(Post 19294254)
I'll just keep accepting the scan, until I see or am directed to credible evidence of substantial hazard created by doing so.
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Originally Posted by CDTraveler
(Post 19290910)
You forgot the [/sarc] at the end of your post.
Neither food nor alcohol in moderation have proven harmful. So suggesting a ban on food to cure obesity is just plain stupid and shows the worth of your comments, and bringing up tobacco is so far OT that it doesn't deserve a response. Radiation has been proven to cause cancer, is that too difficult to understand? Why it causes cancer is not 100% understood, could be dosage, could be genetic susceptibility, could be holes in the ozone for all science can prove today. The TSA can not prove that their machines do not increase the risk of cancer to the general population, and in fact seem to expect us all to just take their word for it without any data to back up their claims. You are free to enter their devices as often as you like, but I won't be joining you. I suppose you have given up the use of your cell phone now that it is proven that they give off radiation and cell phone manufacturers cannot prove their devices do not increase the risk of cancer? |
Originally Posted by marvanit
(Post 19295188)
If you read my other posts, I also opt out of the devices.
I suppose you have given up the use of your cell phone now that it is proven that they give off radiation and cell phone manufacturers cannot prove their devices do not increase the risk of cancer? Any type of light - IR, microwave, visible light, etc, is radiation. Not all of it is ionizing and unhealthy. In fact, you are the equivalent of a 900W infrared light bulb and put out much more radiation of shorter wavelength than any cell phone. I'll continue to take my chances using cell phones. Whether or not the NoS is safe is up for interpretation as the government has not been honest about it. TSA often cites Johns Hopkins' testing, but then JHU says that TSA didn't give them an actual unit that would be deployed - just something similar. TSA also hasn't allowed independent third party review to see if they're safe, nor will it provide any information as to how often the devices are calibrated and tested to ensure they're working correctly and putting out the stated amount of radiation. "We're the government, trust us" doesn't fly when the organization has been repeatedly shown to be dishonest. That doesn't even factor in the privacy and 4th amendment concerns for using these machines. In my case, I'm less concerned about the health than I am about a government abusing its power and freedoms of its citizens. Because I can is the reason I give when asked why I opt out. I don't care about the "safety" or "privacy enhancements" they "implemented" to mitigate those issues. Until they're validated by an independent third party, I'm not trusting them. |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 19294359)
Even if the FDA's projected "one in four hundred million people will get cancer as a result of the body scanners" number is true and not higher, that means you're still "substantially" more likely to get cancer from a TSA scanner than be affected in any way by an actual terrorist event.
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Originally Posted by TMOliver
(Post 19302112)
Well, I suppose that the members and extended families of the US diplomatic mission to Libya might argue with your risk/benefit analysis....
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 19294359)
Even if the FDA's projected "one in four hundred million people will get cancer as a result of the body scanners" number is true and not higher, that means you're still "substantially" more likely to get cancer from a TSA scanner than be affected in any way by an actual terrorist event.
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Originally Posted by cbn42
(Post 19304073)
Actually, you are way off. About 2,000 people died in the September 11 attacks, out of a US population of 300 million. Even if you assume that that was the only terrorist attack of the century, the odds of dying in a terrorist attack are far higher than 1 in 400 million.
If you factor that with terrorism over the years and count it as a one off, your chances are even lower. I can live with those odds. |
Originally Posted by TMOliver
(Post 19294254)
I'll just keep accepting the scan, until I see or am directed to credible evidence of substantial hazard created by doing so.
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