Rude, lazy, incompetent and too dumb to lie....
Aug 19, 2012, 1:32 pm
#61
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But I also know that simply bashing them constantly, whining, .....ing, and moaning about them is not going to sway many (or any) opinions. I ignore extremists, as most people do.
So, yes, I do see value in listening, because in listening, I can hear their concerns and beliefs and construct a sensible counter-argument that might just change someone's mind.
Try it some time.
Aug 19, 2012, 3:10 pm
#62
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I got really tired of hearing the TSA apologists sputter, "But, but, but, 9-11!" while the TSA provides not one iota of security that might have prevented it.
The TSA must be abolished. It serves no useful purpose above and beyond any private security, it is a waste of money, and it represents a swirling drain of civil and humanitarian rights, all to no effect other than enriching the pseudo-military "security" complex and insuring that persons wholly unsuited for private-sector employment can obtain a paycheck despite their utter lack of any marketable skills.
Aug 19, 2012, 6:49 pm
#63
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I did, for the better part of ten years.
I got really tired of hearing the TSA apologists sputter, "But, but, but, 9-11!" while the TSA provides not one iota of security that might have prevented it.
The TSA must be abolished. It serves no useful purpose above and beyond any private security, it is a waste of money, and it represents a swirling drain of civil and humanitarian rights, all to no effect other than enriching the pseudo-military "security" complex and insuring that persons wholly unsuited for private-sector employment can obtain a paycheck despite their utter lack of any marketable skills.
I got really tired of hearing the TSA apologists sputter, "But, but, but, 9-11!" while the TSA provides not one iota of security that might have prevented it.
The TSA must be abolished. It serves no useful purpose above and beyond any private security, it is a waste of money, and it represents a swirling drain of civil and humanitarian rights, all to no effect other than enriching the pseudo-military "security" complex and insuring that persons wholly unsuited for private-sector employment can obtain a paycheck despite their utter lack of any marketable skills.
Aug 19, 2012, 6:59 pm
#64
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I've read research (sorry, I can't find a link right now) which looks at how experts and novices rate their own level of knowledge of their discipline. The brief summary is as follows. If you're an expert, you're highly likely to know that you're an expert. If you're a novice, you're just as likely to believe that you're an expert than believe that you're a novice.
In short: if you don't know what you're doing, you probably don't know that you don't know what you're doing.
This is one of the reasons I'm extremely loathe to use the term "lie" to refer to statements by TSOs that contradict TSA rules. I think it's much more likely that such TSOs honestly believe that they're correct, even as they offer their mistaken knowledge as facts.
Aug 19, 2012, 7:11 pm
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Aug 19, 2012, 8:39 pm
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Actually, it's quite hard to do that --- but not for the obvious reason.
I've read research (sorry, I can't find a link right now) which looks at how experts and novices rate their own level of knowledge of their discipline. The brief summary is as follows. If you're an expert, you're highly likely to know that you're an expert. If you're a novice, you're just as likely to believe that you're an expert than believe that you're a novice.
In short: if you don't know what you're doing, you probably don't know that you don't know what you're doing.
This is one of the reasons I'm extremely loathe to use the term "lie" to refer to statements by TSOs that contradict TSA rules. I think it's much more likely that such TSOs honestly believe that they're correct, even as they offer their mistaken knowledge as facts.
I've read research (sorry, I can't find a link right now) which looks at how experts and novices rate their own level of knowledge of their discipline. The brief summary is as follows. If you're an expert, you're highly likely to know that you're an expert. If you're a novice, you're just as likely to believe that you're an expert than believe that you're a novice.
In short: if you don't know what you're doing, you probably don't know that you don't know what you're doing.
This is one of the reasons I'm extremely loathe to use the term "lie" to refer to statements by TSOs that contradict TSA rules. I think it's much more likely that such TSOs honestly believe that they're correct, even as they offer their mistaken knowledge as facts.
- I do not know, and I know I do not know.
- I know a little, but I have a lot to learn.
- I know a lot, and there is not much more to learn (but I am wrong).
- I realize that I do not know everything I need to know about this, but I know enough to get by.
- I know it all and there is nothing more to learn.
- Well, that was wrong, I really need to learn some more about this before I really make a mess.
- I am really, really knowledgeable about this, but the more I learn, the more I realize I can never know everything.
- I don't know everything, in fact I know very little, but at least I know I don't know it and I am actively learning more so that I can know more.
I am really happy if I can get to #6.
Aug 20, 2012, 9:45 am
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I've read research (sorry, I can't find a link right now) which looks at how experts and novices rate their own level of knowledge of their discipline. The brief summary is as follows. If you're an expert, you're highly likely to know that you're an expert. If you're a novice, you're just as likely to believe that you're an expert than believe that you're a novice.
Aug 20, 2012, 10:10 am
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I've read research (sorry, I can't find a link right now) which looks at how experts and novices rate their own level of knowledge of their discipline. The brief summary is as follows. If you're an expert, you're highly likely to know that you're an expert. If you're a novice, you're just as likely to believe that you're an expert than believe that you're a novice.
Aug 20, 2012, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by wikipedia
Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:
- tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
- fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
- fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
- recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill
4 does not, which says something about TSA's so-called "training".
