"24 hour no-fly list with the TSA"
Jun 28, 2012, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by TSORon
The "No Fly list" is not something you pop onto or off of, once on it you have to make an application to be taken off. There is no such thing as a "24 hour No Fly list".
Familiar with the art of governmental blacklisting of non-criminals in order to: blackmail non-criminals into hunting for, or fabricating, criminals; or railroad non-criminals into becoming criminals as the government wants it.
Jun 28, 2012, 2:59 pm
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I can tell you exactly what happened:
It states clearly in the blog post that Ethiopia requires proof on onward transit for this kid's visa. Since he had a one-way ticket, the itinerary was flagged, and he was told at check in that the airline would not allow him to travel that day, as he had no such proof. He eventually convinced the airline to let him try again "tomorrow", and contacted Ethiopian the next day, when they told him that he had to bring proof of onward transit, and pay a change fee per their rules.
So, instead of owning up to his mistake, the self-entitled brat concocted a story about how TSA stopped him from flying and that the airline should compensate him.
It states clearly in the blog post that Ethiopia requires proof on onward transit for this kid's visa. Since he had a one-way ticket, the itinerary was flagged, and he was told at check in that the airline would not allow him to travel that day, as he had no such proof. He eventually convinced the airline to let him try again "tomorrow", and contacted Ethiopian the next day, when they told him that he had to bring proof of onward transit, and pay a change fee per their rules.
So, instead of owning up to his mistake, the self-entitled brat concocted a story about how TSA stopped him from flying and that the airline should compensate him.
Jun 28, 2012, 3:03 pm
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One can be denied access to the sterile area for many reasons, where you are going is not one of them. As usual, there is more to this story than we are being told, specifically the part that got him denied by either the airline, the TSA, or local LEO's. Find out what that part of the story is and then you will have enough information to form an opinion.
Or, you can just blame the TSA, after all that is the norm here isn't it.
Or, you can just blame the TSA, after all that is the norm here isn't it.
Jun 28, 2012, 5:19 pm
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The norm appears to be that any time some ***** at an airport stops a passenger from flying, the passenger assumes it is the TSA even when it isn't. But, but that's not fair, waaah!
Karma's a b**** ain't it Ron ?
Jun 29, 2012, 11:18 am
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If you are on the "No Fly" list then you are on it, period. Getting taken off is a major endeavor and can take months. It is possible to get a “One Time Waver”, but those are rare and you remain on the list even after the flight. Google it, there are several examples of news articles where this has happened.
Jun 29, 2012, 11:20 am
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Jun 29, 2012, 11:36 am
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Actually, you are incorrect. Getting off the list through the TRIP process takes months (actually, it usually doesn't work); getting off the list as the result of an interview initiated by the FBI can easily happen within 24 hours. The TSC can do whatever it pleases-- they can add someone and remove him 24 hours later if they like. That doesn't mean it happens a whole lot, but the sequence of events here was more in the FBI/TSC realm than the TSA.
Jun 29, 2012, 2:16 pm
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So, no, I don't believe there's any such thing as a "24-hour no-fly-list", and this incident may well have been CBP/FBI/TSC/airline-driven. Thing is, even though I know there's no "24-hour" list, hearing someone say that a TSA told them that was the reason they couldn't fly today isn't even surprising--it's fully believable.
Jun 29, 2012, 2:53 pm
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Incorrect.
If you are on the "No Fly" list then you are on it, period. Getting taken off is a major endeavor and can take months. It is possible to get a “One Time Waver”, but those are rare and you remain on the list even after the flight. Google it, there are several examples of news articles where this has happened.
If you are on the "No Fly" list then you are on it, period. Getting taken off is a major endeavor and can take months. It is possible to get a “One Time Waver”, but those are rare and you remain on the list even after the flight. Google it, there are several examples of news articles where this has happened.
The post of mine (which was quoted by you above) is correct in its entirety. What is incorrect is your assertion of my post being "incorrect" despite it being factually correct.
By the way, this incident at MSP would not have been likely to have been all that it was in the years before the TSA was created; and what the TSA has done is the kind of thing that enabled this situation at MSP to be what it was.
If the TSA were aborted before the fall of 2001, no TSA involvement would be a given; however, TSA wasn't aborted when it should have been, so no surprise the TSA is part of the picture in this incident at MSP.
Jun 29, 2012, 3:16 pm
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You think it was the TSA and not FB/JTTF/TSC who initiated this interview?
Jun 29, 2012, 4:47 pm
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Certainly not that, but DHS/TSA requirements for airlines' surrendering of solicited passenger info has made life more active for people:-: in the FBI/JTTF/TSC than would otherwise be the case, particularly on domestic segments of a trip -- it has also made things more active for check-in agents for the airlines.