Horrible TSA Experience at IND
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When my tools show a problem within the machine, I always first double check the operation of my equipment before I automatically assume the machine is bad. I run multiple non-evasive tests to confirm and determine severity. The absolute last thing we do is take the machine apart and look inside.
It seems with the TSA that they get one bad test, and it is hands on immediately. There is no question that there may have been a problem with the test, let's just take the "machine" apart and see what is wrong with no thought of the comfort or humiliation of the tested.
I follow meticulous procedures, as I am certain that you do as well, to minimize error from contaminated data, proper reading and measurement of samples and maintaining calibration of devices. In general, should an anomaly be reported by the equipment, it is my FIRST thought that the test may be faulty and that possibility eliminated. It seems with the TSA their machines can never be seen as fallible, just like their people. We must be led to believe in their perfection and if we question it or their procedures, it is further evidence that we are indeed the criminal that they suspect us to be just because we had the audacity to buy a ticket to get on an airplane.
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He then went through and removed every card, every photo, every receipt, every paper and every piece of money one by one and dropped each one into a tray before handing the tray back along with my empty wallet and thanking me. I politely asked, "are you going to put them back?" "Yes, but they won't be in the same order." I waited there until everything was put back.
That would have got me arrested right there, which is why I seldom endure the TSA any longer.
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except that he got his privates touched and publically humiliated, no, no need for any such emotions. Except that these are normal reactions to being publically humiliated and fondled by someone in authority.
He said he's shaking like a leaf. And you just brush it off like you don't give a d*mn. Which you don't.
How many times has this happened? thousands and thousands of times. How many times does this have to happen yet? Yet not once has it found real explosives. Not once.
He said he's shaking like a leaf. And you just brush it off like you don't give a d*mn. Which you don't.
How many times has this happened? thousands and thousands of times. How many times does this have to happen yet? Yet not once has it found real explosives. Not once.
Though I am not a scientist, I prefer to use the word "baseline" when discussing control tests; it seems to be easier for the average person to understand the concept when I use that word.
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If someone in authority insists on groping my genitals under the guise of "security", I don't intend to pretend that that's a normal transaction.
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"Calibration standard," "Standard result," or just plain "Standard" works as well. "Standards" are used in machine tool and precision tool calibration.
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Yes, if I was doing a medical trial with a new drug , I would do the trial with multiple people with some of them (blindly-not knowing) they were taking a placebo
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Sounds as though this was all handled exactly as it should have been by TSA and the carrier. OP tested positive -- plausible explanation because he routinely handles chemicals -- was searched, cleared and flew.
No need for anybody to apologize to anybody and no need for OP to give it a second's further thought.
No need for anybody to apologize to anybody and no need for OP to give it a second's further thought.
OP did nothing wrong but was humiliated in public, scared by TSA, and subjected to interrogation including intrusive personal and professional questions.
OP was fully within his/her rights to refuse to answer every single one of those questions, and probably would have been (illegally) denied travel if that right were exercised.
Just because the OP didn't get arrested doesn't make what the wannabe jackbooted thugs do right. Doing screening at the checkpoint, not the gate as the flight is boarding, reduces the time pressure and public humiliation. And the whole procedure after positive alarms on the ETD is way overboard given that virtually all alarms are false.
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Sure. The problem, as most folks would agree, is that the test has nothing to do with actually carrying explosives at the airport.
And that TSOs aren't trained to follow scientifically valid testing procedures.
And that, in so many cases, the machine is detecting things similar to explosives or ingredients in explosives - not so much actual explosives. Things that are in medication. Or on golf courses. Or, you know, soap.
And thus, a predominantly worthless test subjects a normal person to physical inspection, effective detainment, and a subjective judgement from a "supervisor" on continuing onto a plane.
All to try to detect something that another inspection technique should have already found and that happens - maybe - once every few years.
So what if they followed procedure? Theatre belongs in a theatre.
And that TSOs aren't trained to follow scientifically valid testing procedures.
And that, in so many cases, the machine is detecting things similar to explosives or ingredients in explosives - not so much actual explosives. Things that are in medication. Or on golf courses. Or, you know, soap.
And thus, a predominantly worthless test subjects a normal person to physical inspection, effective detainment, and a subjective judgement from a "supervisor" on continuing onto a plane.
All to try to detect something that another inspection technique should have already found and that happens - maybe - once every few years.
So what if they followed procedure? Theatre belongs in a theatre.
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I doubt it. It's more likely to be simple theatre, as the current set of employees can barely be trusted not to pee on the floor, let alone do important tasks like "don't steal from the passengers," or "take down names of people who generate false alarms from the ETD swabs."
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I doubt it. It's more likely to be simple theatre, as the current set of employees can barely be trusted not to pee on the floor, let alone do important tasks like "don't steal from the passengers," or "take down names of people who generate false alarms from the ETD swabs."
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Oh, agreed. But I don't believe that retaliation goes any further up the chain than the immediate taking umbrage at the idea that some traveling peon is questioning their "authoritah" and making sure that person "feels some pain."
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I dunno... there have been multiple reports (I even saw one caught on a YouTube video) of TSOs demanding travelers' ID and writing down their particulars to put into some sort of "report". While I seldom doubt the ability of a US government agency to completely lose citizens' personal data, I do have to wonder what happens with the info in those "reports" - wouldn't there be some influence on the watch lists from them?

