Sen Nelson proposes no elite/premium security lines
Apr 5, 2012, 1:38 pm
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I paid $50 to sign up for NEXUS, I was interviewed by BOTH US and Canadian immigration officials, I already am a trusted traveler under BOTH US and Canadian immigration, I should not have to go through the TSA security theater whose ID checkers doesn't even know what a NEXUS card is. 
Apr 5, 2012, 1:48 pm
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Indeed "trusted traveler" is just another form of theater. When it comes to this theater of "favors" for some US persons at US airports but not for all at US airports, keep in mind when the favors government grants some US citizens are favors which the government can (sooner or later) deny, at the whim of government employees, even the same US citizens at US airports.
Apr 5, 2012, 1:53 pm
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No, I was completely serious. The TSA has a history of giving preferential treatment to the groups of people who have influence or who complain the most. First politicians, then pilots, and now frequent fliers. That way, they can continue to justify buying machines and hiring staff, and they silence the criticism at the same time.
I may have frequent flier status, but I don't think it's right for other people to be abused at the check point just because I'm not.
I may have frequent flier status, but I don't think it's right for other people to be abused at the check point just because I'm not.
Would Sen. Nelson be amneble to us common folks line up with Congress Members for the medical visitsthat they are entitled to ?
Is this a case of Do as I say, not as I do ?
Apr 5, 2012, 2:07 pm
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So then you would abolish "special" lines at hotels, theaters, Vegas show rooms, organ transplnat lists etc ?
Would Sen. Nelson be amneble to us common folks line up with Congress Members for the medical visitsthat they are entitled to ?
Is this a case of Do as I say, not as I do ?
Would Sen. Nelson be amneble to us common folks line up with Congress Members for the medical visitsthat they are entitled to ?
Is this a case of Do as I say, not as I do ?
Is the TSA in control of "security" for "hotels, theaters, Vegas show rooms, organ transplant lists" and playing divide and conquer at the "hotels, theaters, Vegas show rooms, organ transplant lists"? Generally not, unlike with airports where the TSA is designated to be in control of "security" (even where contractors are in use).
Apr 5, 2012, 3:44 pm
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It wouldn't necessarily accomplish passenger fairness, but it would take away one of the TSA's methods of avoiding passenger fairness. The idea is that if you ban the TSA from improving the screening experience for only certain groups of people, then in order to respond to public outcry they will have to improve it for everyone rather than just the groups complaining like they currently do.
So then you would abolish "special" lines at hotels, theaters, Vegas show rooms, organ transplnat lists etc ?
Would Sen. Nelson be amneble to us common folks line up with Congress Members for the medical visitsthat they are entitled to ?
Is this a case of Do as I say, not as I do ?
Would Sen. Nelson be amneble to us common folks line up with Congress Members for the medical visitsthat they are entitled to ?
Is this a case of Do as I say, not as I do ?
FYI, there are no "special lists" for organ transplant. There is a way of gaming the system a bit, involving the ability to travel (e.g. if you have a private jet, you could qualify more places), but beyond that, there are no special lists.
Apr 5, 2012, 4:57 pm
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This is truly an outrageous outrage!
What's next, banning club rooms, Global Service Concierges, and First Class?
Senator Nelson says it's about "fairness" but it's clear he doesn't understand equality. Everyone has an equal opportunity to pay for premium service.
What's next, banning club rooms, Global Service Concierges, and First Class?
Senator Nelson says it's about "fairness" but it's clear he doesn't understand equality. Everyone has an equal opportunity to pay for premium service.
Apr 5, 2012, 9:31 pm
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In that case, shouldn't the TSA be collecting the payment for premium service? Why should the TSA give premium service to someone who paid extra to an airline?
Apr 5, 2012, 9:58 pm
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What's next, not allowing top-shelf booze in the airport bar because only people who choose to pay extra for it can get it?
Apr 6, 2012, 12:35 am
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This is a common misconception. The TSA controls the checkpoint itself. The lines leading up to the checkpoint are controlled by the airport. They can have a premium line for an additional price. It's just like any other amenity.
What's next, not allowing top-shelf booze in the airport bar because only people who choose to pay extra for it can get it?
What's next, not allowing top-shelf booze in the airport bar because only people who choose to pay extra for it can get it?
Given how heavily the US aviation infrastructure is subsidized even by infrequent flyers and non-flyers, it should be expected that the "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others" at airports doesn't exactly fly so well with all.
Apr 6, 2012, 3:54 am
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Apr 6, 2012, 4:02 am
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If Nelson were to be a proponent of eliminating the "PreCheck" theater and the related line, then I would be more eager to support this bill. As it is, I am not opposed to this bill, but that is only because of some wishful thinking that if the airlines' most frequent and valuable customers start being treated like the once-a-year VFR passenger, then perhaps the airlines and their customers would finally put real pressure on the government to improve the situation with the TSA and fix it for everyone by giving all passengers the LLL "PreCheck" allowances at the screening checkpoints.
Apr 6, 2012, 8:19 am
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The summary of the bill, in the OP says:
to promote fairness for all air travel passengers by barring airlines and airport operators from using express security lines that allow for certain groups of air passengers to cut to the front of the TSA security screening line at the airport.
He wants to bar a private company from offering a premium service to customers who choose to pay more. It would be like barring me from hiring a driver to take me to and from the airport because some people choose to take a shuttle buss that takes longer.
Read the ENTIRE PROPOSAL here (it's short):
http://www.bennelson.senate.gov/pres...rness-bill.cfm
Then write your Rep and tell him or her to oppose it.
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Apr 6, 2012, 7:38 pm
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It's a case about airports in the US.
Is the TSA in control of "security" for "hotels, theaters, Vegas show rooms, organ transplant lists" and playing divide and conquer at the "hotels, theaters, Vegas show rooms, organ transplant lists"? Generally not, unlike with airports where the TSA is designated to be in control of "security" (even where contractors are in use).
Is the TSA in control of "security" for "hotels, theaters, Vegas show rooms, organ transplant lists" and playing divide and conquer at the "hotels, theaters, Vegas show rooms, organ transplant lists"? Generally not, unlike with airports where the TSA is designated to be in control of "security" (even where contractors are in use).
Granted TSA is Govt operated. The lines for Elites are created by airlines for their frequent CUSTOMERS.
Apr 7, 2012, 11:06 am
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[QUOTE=reamworks;18344024]This is a common misconception. The TSA controls the checkpoint itself. The lines leading up to the checkpoint are controlled by the airport. They can have a premium line for an additional price. It's just like any other amenity.
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This is correct. Lines up to TSA checkpoint are controlled by the airport, who makes whatever deal they like with the airlines, all in an effort to run THEIR businesses the way that THEY choose.
Mind you own business Ben Nelson
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This is correct. Lines up to TSA checkpoint are controlled by the airport, who makes whatever deal they like with the airlines, all in an effort to run THEIR businesses the way that THEY choose.
Mind you own business Ben Nelson