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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 7:18 pm
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I'm Disgusted

I'm not sure just what makes me more angry about what I witnessed a few hours ago in Miami.

Standing in the Priority Access line, approaching the TDC.

Sheeple in front of me hands the clerk his BP and US passport.

Clerk asks for another form of ID. Sheeple produces his drivers license.

We seriously don't deserve a Constitution. We should just start bending over and taking it up the A** on a collective basis.
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 7:48 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120
I'm not sure just what makes me more angry about what I witnessed a few hours ago in Miami.

Standing in the Priority Access line, approaching the TDC.

Sheeple in front of me hands the clerk his BP and US passport.

Clerk asks for another form of ID. Sheeple produces his drivers license.

We seriously don't deserve a Constitution. We should just start bending over and taking it up the A** on a collective basis.
That right there is worth at least 30 minutes of my time berating the TSA screener. I give no quarter.
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 8:51 pm
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You're disgusted. So am I.

But you weren't surprised.

Neither am I.
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 8:54 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120
We seriously don't deserve a Constitution. We should just start bending over and taking it up the A** on a collective basis.
Speak for yourself. They'll have to pry my hands away from my cold, dead liberty-loving posterior before giving me the business. (But I take your point, halls.)
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 9:40 pm
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 10:12 pm
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Well..........a lot of it has to do with the notion "I must take a plane and get to this destination". Sure, it is occasionally true, but a whole lot of people on the one hand go when it requires surrendering dignity. And at the same time, none of them reacts to the indignities by organizing politically to put an end. This is what the government sees, the docility, so it will just continue on. As long as nominally free people act like sheep, bureaucrats will act like autocratic shepherds. And you know what shepherds like to do to sheep.
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 11:32 pm
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Well..........a lot of it has to do with the notion "I must take a plane and get to this destination". Sure, it is occasionally true, but a whole lot of people on the one hand go when it requires surrendering dignity. And at the same time, none of them reacts to the indignities by organizing politically to put an end. This is what the government sees, the docility, so it will just continue on. As long as nominally free people act like sheep, bureaucrats will act like autocratic shepherds. And you know what shepherds like to do to sheep.
"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves
Edward R. Murrow (1909-1965).
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by halls120
Sheeple in front of me hands the clerk his BP and US passport.
Clerk asks for another form of ID. Sheeple produces his drivers license.
I had this happen to me once. I was traveling within the US, and I handed the clerk my BP and US Passport. The asked if I had a DL and I handed them my foreign DL.

They said they couldn't accept my foreign DL.

I said "I know", that's why I handed you my UNITED STATES PASSPORT!

The confused look on the persons face was classic.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 7:59 am
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When are we going to take our country back?
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
I had this happen to me once. I was traveling within the US, and I handed the clerk my BP and US Passport. The asked if I had a DL and I handed them my foreign DL.

They said they couldn't accept my foreign DL.

I said "I know", that's why I handed you my UNITED STATES PASSPORT!

The confused look on the persons face was classic.
Well played, sir.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:13 am
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Well played, sir.
On another occasion I had an US Immigration officer give me a hard time because my passport had been issued from an overseas embassy.

After a bunch of questioning, I finally said that if he had a problem with where US Passports can be issued, he should take it up with his boss, the Secretary of State, and if he didn't like the answer to give the POTUS a call.

I was on my way quickly after that.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
I had this happen to me once. I was traveling within the US, and I handed the clerk my BP and US Passport. The asked if I had a DL and I handed them my foreign DL.

They said they couldn't accept my foreign DL.

I said "I know", that's why I handed you my UNITED STATES PASSPORT!

The confused look on the persons face was classic.
Great! ^^^^^^
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
I had this happen to me once. I was traveling within the US, and I handed the clerk my BP and US Passport. The asked if I had a DL and I handed them my foreign DL.

They said they couldn't accept my foreign DL.

I said "I know", that's why I handed you my UNITED STATES PASSPORT!

The confused look on the persons face was classic.
Ditto. US Passport, Chilean ID. It took her almost 10 minutes to find someone who could actually think before I was allowed through.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 2:37 pm
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After a recent experience, which I may post about sometime, I have decided to leave the US forever. Like people keep saying, this is not the country I grew up in. It no longer feels like home. I don't believe things are going to improve. I don't want to be like those jews in pre-WW2 Germany who stayed while their country descended into insanity and paid the ultimate price for it. I may even renounce my US citizenship. I am ashamed to carry a US passport now. We should be ashamed of what our country has become. Power corrupts, but so does fear, and we have become a country of trembling, paranoid cowards who jump at the slightest noise. And I am tired of living among a herd of sheep, waiting obediently while the wolves decide on the menu.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 3:55 pm
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Originally Posted by gojirasan
Like people keep saying, this is not the country I grew up in. It no longer feels like home. I don't believe things are going to improve. I don't want to be like those jews in pre-WW2 Germany who stayed while their country descended into insanity and paid the ultimate price for it.
I really don't understand when people start this old repeated tune "where is the USA I knew?" or "we need to take our country back". Back to where? The 19th century which saw slavery? Early 20th century when women could not even vote? World War 2 when American citizens of Japanese descent were put in concentration camps? McCarthy's 1950s ? Segregationist 1960s when black folks had to ride in the back of the bus? Please enlighten me which one of these you'd like back? I don't like all this post-9/11 security non-sense either, but I will take it any time compared to being a minority and living during the times that I have listed.
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