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mules Aug 13, 2011 10:06 pm

BBC-"When does airport security become physical assault?"
 
When they say "holiday" they mean school vacation time.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ck/9561167.stm
"With the holiday season underway, intimate security checks at American airports are continuing to upset travellers.
When passengers refuse the full body scanners they may be submitted to what authorities are calling an enhanced pat-down.
Politicians are calling for them to be outlawed but the department of justice has threatened that flights whose passengers are not screened will be cancelled.
Nancy Campbell, a 33-year-old from Brooklyn, compared the experience to being "sexually assaulted"...

Ari Aug 13, 2011 11:04 pm

BBC-"When does airport security become physical assault?"
 
When they encounter my resistance. :mad:

Wimpie Aug 13, 2011 11:09 pm


Nancy Campbell agrees that enhanced pat-downs could prove counterproductive: "There's encouragement from the government to have our eyes on the ground and help make our country safer but if the government abuses the authority towards its citizens - are we all going to feel like one big team?
Is it 1936 again?
Fatherland Homeland Security?

gnorwost2 Aug 14, 2011 7:43 am


Nancy Campbell agrees that enhanced pat-downs could prove counterproductive
It's my belief that they already have been counterproductive, as evidenced by reports being brought to our attention of sexual assault at the checkpoint. The public is rebelling.

GoingAway Aug 14, 2011 8:45 am

TSA became counter productive as soon as they became regular fodder as the butt of late night jokes, it's only gotten worse since then with ads, movies, etc all highlighting the stupidity yet not yielding any change. Without congressional interference, and we know there isn't a ball left in DC to do so, the train is increasing in speed with no brakes in sight.

Wally Bird Aug 14, 2011 9:06 am


Originally Posted by mules (Post 16919650)
Politicians are calling for them to be outlawed but the department of justice has threatened that flights whose passengers are not screened will be cancelled.

Department of Justice ??

LuvAirFrance Aug 14, 2011 11:14 am

The president needs to shorten the leash on his law enforcement people. Terror is way behind jobs as a political imperative in 2012. His determination to be seen as "tough" on terrorism is going to raise more ire than the law that requires people buy health insurance. TSA is becoming a millstone around the neck of the administration. The notion of "everything normal but more about jobs" isn't really going to be a winning package.

Roger Aug 15, 2011 5:34 am


Originally Posted by BBC
No one from the TSA was available for interview and instead it sent this statement:

"... Only a small percentage of passengers require pat-downs during the security screening process.

Pat-downs are conducted by same gender officers, and all passengers have the right to request private screening at any time."

Do passengers have the right to request screeners to use a clean pair of gloves? I'm not in the habit of having close contact with other peoples' bodies and clothing and see no reason why I should do so via screeners' gloves.

'Only a small percentage', eh? Just what is that small percentage?

GoingAway Aug 15, 2011 5:37 am


Originally Posted by Roger (Post 16926278)
Do passengers have the right to request screeners to use a clean pair of gloves? I'm not in the habit of having close contact with other peoples' bodies and clothing and see no reason why I should do so via screeners' gloves.

'Only a small percentage', eh? Just what is that small percentage?

Yes , absolutely ask them to change gloves so you can ensure they are fresh. It's more important since they include a glove test at the end of the molestation

doober Aug 15, 2011 5:47 am


Originally Posted by Roger (Post 16926278)
Do passengers have the right to request screeners to use a clean pair of gloves? I'm not in the habit of having close contact with other peoples' bodies and clothing and see no reason why I should do so via screeners' gloves.

'Only a small percentage', eh? Just what is that small percentage?

TSA claims it's about 3%. However, 3% of 2,000,000 travelers a day equals 60,000 individuals being sexually assaulted, the population of a small city.

Caradoc Aug 15, 2011 7:39 am


Originally Posted by GoingAway (Post 16926290)
Yes , absolutely ask them to change gloves so you can ensure they are fresh.

Are you certain that the TSA isn't taking their used gloves and stuffing them back into the box for later reuse?

GoingAway Aug 15, 2011 8:20 am


Originally Posted by Caradoc (Post 16926723)
Are you certain that the TSA isn't taking their used gloves and stuffing them back into the box for later reuse?

That is so disgusting, I guess I wouldn't put it past them ugh! Then again, that would be mean they'd be putting in each others gloves, I get the idea on occasion they dislike each other almost as much as we dislike them

FliesWay2Much Aug 15, 2011 8:26 am


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 16921530)
Department of Justice ??

I think this is a lost-in-translation attempt to describe the almost-law in Texas a few weeks ago.

Caradoc Aug 15, 2011 8:34 am


Originally Posted by GoingAway (Post 16926971)
That is so disgusting, I guess I wouldn't put it past them ugh! Then again, that would be mean they'd be putting in each others gloves, I get the idea on occasion they dislike each other almost as much as we dislike them

Given the typical TSA employee's lack of understanding of basic scientific principles like "contamination" and the eyewitness accounts of TSA employees using the restroom while wearing the same gloves they then used at the checkpoint, I don't know that they'd be doing it because they "dislike" each other so much as simply failing to understand that the box doesn't magically sterilize the gloves if you put them back in.

JumboD Aug 15, 2011 11:28 am


Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance (Post 16922101)
The president needs to shorten the leash on his law enforcement people. Terror is way behind jobs as a political imperative in 2012. His determination to be seen as "tough" on terrorism is going to raise more ire than the law that requires people buy health insurance. TSA is becoming a millstone around the neck of the administration. The notion of "everything normal but more about jobs" isn't really going to be a winning package.

Not to get too political, but I agree that his "get tough" approach is the worst kind of failure. It combines the previous administration's disregard for civil liberties but completely fails to send said administration's "don't f*ck with us" message. In short, our current president is too scared to either take a real stand as did Bush (probably a good thing) or deliver the promised hope and change (definitely a bad thing).

I guess it's like Bart once said to Homer (perhaps the reverse): "You know, your half-a$$ed underparenting was a lot better than your half-a$$ed overparenting."


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