TSA Strip Search of 97 Year Old Woman
Jul 25, 2011, 6:31 pm
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TSA Strip Search of 97 Year Old Woman
TSA Strip Search - NO ‘TLC’ FROM THE TSA,” By, SUSAN SACIRBEY
Just when it seems TSA cannot sink any lower.
http://www.filmannex.com/posts/blog_...sacirbey/32501
Just when it seems TSA cannot sink any lower.
http://www.filmannex.com/posts/blog_...sacirbey/32501
Jul 25, 2011, 6:40 pm
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TSA Strip Search - NO ‘TLC’ FROM THE TSA,” By, SUSAN SACIRBEY
Just when it seems TSA cannot sink any lower.
http://www.filmannex.com/posts/blog_...sacirbey/32501
Just when it seems TSA cannot sink any lower.
http://www.filmannex.com/posts/blog_...sacirbey/32501
If true, if even half of it is true, the TSOs involved should be suspended and the supervisor should be suspended and demoted.
I would really like to more about the drape. Is it disposable? What is it made of? Is it disposed of after each use or (as I suspect), do they reuse the same one each time? One hopes they aren't doing a lot of private room patdowns, but the TSA will certainly never tell the truth about it.
Jul 25, 2011, 6:49 pm
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A TSA spokesperson will comment shortly that 'they can't comment but they have head nothing from the passenger' (because, as usual, they disregard any complaint through 'normal' channels. If you want any attention paid to your problem, you really need media involvement. Of course, following proper feedback channels and getting media involvement and getting a personal apology from Pistole still weren't enough to change things for Passenger Sawyer).
If true, if even half of it is true, the TSOs involved should be suspended and the supervisor should be suspended and demoted.
I would really like to more about the drape. Is it disposable? What is it made of? Is it disposed of after each use or (as I suspect), do they reuse the same one each time? One hopes they aren't doing a lot of private room patdowns, but the TSA will certainly never tell the truth about it.
If true, if even half of it is true, the TSOs involved should be suspended and the supervisor should be suspended and demoted.
I would really like to more about the drape. Is it disposable? What is it made of? Is it disposed of after each use or (as I suspect), do they reuse the same one each time? One hopes they aren't doing a lot of private room patdowns, but the TSA will certainly never tell the truth about it.
Please notify Security Officers if you need assistance during the screening process such as a hand, arm, or shoulder to lean upon, or a chair in which to sit. At any time during the screening process you can request a disposable paper drape for privacy.
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1370.shtm
Jul 25, 2011, 6:50 pm
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A TSA spokesperson will comment shortly that 'they can't comment but they have head nothing from the passenger' (because, as usual, they disregard any complaint through 'normal' channels. If you want any attention paid to your problem, you really need media involvement. Of course, following proper feedback channels and getting media involvement and getting a personal apology from Pistole still weren't enough to change things for Passenger Sawyer).
If true, if even half of it is true, the TSOs involved should be suspended and the supervisor should be suspended and demoted.
I would really like to more about the drape. Is it disposable? What is it made of? Is it disposed of after each use or (as I suspect), do they reuse the same one each time? One hopes they aren't doing a lot of private room patdowns, but the TSA will certainly never tell the truth about it.
If true, if even half of it is true, the TSOs involved should be suspended and the supervisor should be suspended and demoted.
I would really like to more about the drape. Is it disposable? What is it made of? Is it disposed of after each use or (as I suspect), do they reuse the same one each time? One hopes they aren't doing a lot of private room patdowns, but the TSA will certainly never tell the truth about it.
Jul 25, 2011, 6:58 pm
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Can they claim that having a witness in a private room strip search and patdown is against SSI? This should not be happening to any females (or anyone). Where are the feminists? Why aren't they standing up for women's rights? Why aren't more men outraged by this? What if this happened to your mother, wife, sister, or daughter? Does no one care anymore?
People care, but nothing is going to change for the better. And TSA has time on its hands.
The younger generation is being trained that their bodies are meat - they are subject to gropes when they fly, some of them find the NoS titillating, their peers are 'sexting' and posting graphic photos on their webpages....Plus I'm sure there are kids who can't stand still in the NoS, get a resulting grope, and then are told afterwards that they wouldn't have been subjected to the grope if they hadn't done something 'wrong', ie, not stand exactly where and how they are told to stand. They're getting searched before proms, big sporting events...they have absolutely no expectation of privacy or respect for their persons. A TSA dream.
Jul 25, 2011, 7:00 pm
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Can they claim that having a witness in a private room strip search and patdown is against SSI? This should not be happening to any females (or anyone). Where are the feminists? Why aren't they standing up for women's rights? Why aren't more men outraged by this? What if this happened to your mother, wife, sister, or daughter? Does no one care anymore?
I'll try to put this in black-and-white terms:
If this woman was a known, proven terrorist who actually had a bomb on her person and intended to use it while on that flight, it would still have been better to let her go than to strip-search her like TSA did.
That simple. Any pro-TSA replies made by non-TSO members will be considered thoughtfully and responded to the same. Any pro-TSA replies made by TSA employees will be ignored as propagandistic lies because it is an objective and incontrovertible fact that every individual employed by the TSA is without ethics or principles or the ability to act in a manner worthy of respect. It is also an incontrovertible fact that they brought this contempt upon themselves and any arguments against that will be ignored as well.
And it's time for yet another bit of Congressional correspondence. My representative's last reply was disappointing so I think I'll give her a chance to earn my vote back.
Jul 25, 2011, 7:07 pm
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Object, and depending on how you do it, you get administrative fines, you get arrested, you get ignored, you get 30 seconds in the news and then continue to get ignored, you get put on a watch list...
People care, but nothing is going to change for the better. And TSA has time on its hands.
The younger generation is being trained that their bodies are meat - they are subject to gropes when they fly, some of them find the NoS titillating, their peers are 'sexting' and posting graphic photos on their webpages....Plus I'm sure there are kids who can't stand still in the NoS, get a resulting grope, and then are told afterwards that they wouldn't have been subjected to the grope if they hadn't done something 'wrong', ie, not stand exactly where and how they are told to stand. They're getting searched before proms, big sporting events...they have absolutely no expectation of privacy or respect for their persons. A TSA dream.
People care, but nothing is going to change for the better. And TSA has time on its hands.
The younger generation is being trained that their bodies are meat - they are subject to gropes when they fly, some of them find the NoS titillating, their peers are 'sexting' and posting graphic photos on their webpages....Plus I'm sure there are kids who can't stand still in the NoS, get a resulting grope, and then are told afterwards that they wouldn't have been subjected to the grope if they hadn't done something 'wrong', ie, not stand exactly where and how they are told to stand. They're getting searched before proms, big sporting events...they have absolutely no expectation of privacy or respect for their persons. A TSA dream.
Jul 26, 2011, 1:21 am
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I can speak only for myself. As an atheist white male gender-egalitarian civil-libertarian, I am outraged. Not surprised, not anymore. But outraged.
I'll try to put this in black-and-white terms:
If this woman was a known, proven terrorist who actually had a bomb on her person and intended to use it while on that flight, it would still have been better to let her go than to strip-search her like TSA did.
That simple. Any pro-TSA replies made by non-TSO members will be considered thoughtfully and responded to the same. Any pro-TSA replies made by TSA employees will be ignored as propagandistic lies because it is an objective and incontrovertible fact that every individual employed by the TSA is without ethics or principles or the ability to act in a manner worthy of respect. It is also an incontrovertible fact that they brought this contempt upon themselves and any arguments against that will be ignored as well.
And it's time for yet another bit of Congressional correspondence. My representative's last reply was disappointing so I think I'll give her a chance to earn my vote back.
I'll try to put this in black-and-white terms:
If this woman was a known, proven terrorist who actually had a bomb on her person and intended to use it while on that flight, it would still have been better to let her go than to strip-search her like TSA did.
That simple. Any pro-TSA replies made by non-TSO members will be considered thoughtfully and responded to the same. Any pro-TSA replies made by TSA employees will be ignored as propagandistic lies because it is an objective and incontrovertible fact that every individual employed by the TSA is without ethics or principles or the ability to act in a manner worthy of respect. It is also an incontrovertible fact that they brought this contempt upon themselves and any arguments against that will be ignored as well.
And it's time for yet another bit of Congressional correspondence. My representative's last reply was disappointing so I think I'll give her a chance to earn my vote back.
without ethics or ability....
any arguments against will be ignored....
I guess I just suffer that learning disability where I know the recognized meaning of the words I use before using them in brash declarations... otherwise.. I'd just look:
IGNORANT
a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
and make pro-terrorism statement allowing any circumstance it is alright to just kill people to prove a political point... undermining any arguments about rights to dignity by claiming that we don't all have an equal right to exist.
Jul 26, 2011, 7:03 am
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hmmm... objective fact...
without ethics or ability....
any arguments against will be ignored....
I guess I just suffer that learning disability where I know the recognized meaning of the words I use before using them in brash declarations... otherwise.. I'd just look:
IGNORANT
a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
and make pro-terrorism statement allowing any circumstance it is alright to just kill people to prove a political point... undermining any arguments about rights to dignity by claiming that we don't all have an equal right to exist.
without ethics or ability....
any arguments against will be ignored....
I guess I just suffer that learning disability where I know the recognized meaning of the words I use before using them in brash declarations... otherwise.. I'd just look:
IGNORANT
a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
and make pro-terrorism statement allowing any circumstance it is alright to just kill people to prove a political point... undermining any arguments about rights to dignity by claiming that we don't all have an equal right to exist.
adj.: not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.
Wanna try again, cupcake?
And quite simply put, I would rather die than live an undignified life. It's a pity you don't care about human dignity enough to realize that some of us aren't so worthlessly selfish as to only want whatever prolongs and preserves our existence. You'd make a great TSO - they care nothing for human dignity either.
Jul 26, 2011, 8:23 am
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I am curious as to what type of "alarms" went off. Can anyone tell what type of alarm it was. Since they asked her about lotion, I can only assume that it was an ETD swab that alarmed. Did they pat her down before the alarms sounded? Did it even occur to the screeners that the alarm may have been caused by contaminated gloves, hair products, or heart medication (nitro glycerine)??
Jul 26, 2011, 9:05 am
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I have asked our TSA posters if there is any occasion that would require a person to open or remove clothing for TSA screening. Of course these people don't have the backbone to answer a direct question and this incident proves that TSA is in fact Strip Searching people.
What I don't understand is just what part of an Administrative Search allows this action.
Seems to me that TSA is clearly in violation of the intent of the limited Administrative Search.
What I don't understand is just what part of an Administrative Search allows this action.
Seems to me that TSA is clearly in violation of the intent of the limited Administrative Search.
Jul 26, 2011, 9:20 am
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If the whole story is true, it is indeed disgusting. Further media investigation should bear that out. Something, however, just doesn't feel right here. I can't put my finger on it, but I'd like to see some more investigation into it. And I'll repeat: If the story does turn out to be true, somebody should be going to jail.
We waited…it was now 11:40 and our American Airlines flight #4 to JFK was leaving in 35 minutes. Concerned about not making the flight, I asked two of the agents if they could get a supervisor to intervene. One agent turned to the other and said, “You know those supervisors, they just sit on their butts and take their time.” The supervisor arrived about 11:50 and wheeled my mother to a TSA designated area. It was now twenty-five minutes until departure time.
Mike