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Nov 19, 2010, 11:46 am
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Here's one making the rounds on FB:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/ar...-little-bother
Admittedly, this is only five bucks a ticket being discussed, but it's kinda rich to be asked to pay for your own sexual molestation.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...tole-says.html
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/ar...-little-bother
The 'Israelification' of airports: High security, little bother
Published On Wed Dec 30 2009
While North America's airports groan under the weight of another sea-change in security protocols, one word keeps popping out of the mouths of experts: Israelification.
That is, how can we make our airports more like Israel's, which deal with far greater terror threat with far less inconvenience.
"It is mindboggling for us Israelis to look at what happens in North America, because we went through this 50 years ago," said Rafi Sela, the president of AR Challenges, a global transportation security consultancy. He's worked with the RCMP, the U.S. Navy Seals and airports around the world.
"Israelis, unlike Canadians and Americans, don't take s--- from anybody. When the security agency in Israel (the ISA) started to tighten security and we had to wait in line for — not for hours — but 30 or 40 minutes, all hell broke loose here. We said, 'We're not going to do this. You're going to find a way that will take care of security without touching the efficiency of the airport."
Published On Wed Dec 30 2009
While North America's airports groan under the weight of another sea-change in security protocols, one word keeps popping out of the mouths of experts: Israelification.
That is, how can we make our airports more like Israel's, which deal with far greater terror threat with far less inconvenience.
"It is mindboggling for us Israelis to look at what happens in North America, because we went through this 50 years ago," said Rafi Sela, the president of AR Challenges, a global transportation security consultancy. He's worked with the RCMP, the U.S. Navy Seals and airports around the world.
"Israelis, unlike Canadians and Americans, don't take s--- from anybody. When the security agency in Israel (the ISA) started to tighten security and we had to wait in line for — not for hours — but 30 or 40 minutes, all hell broke loose here. We said, 'We're not going to do this. You're going to find a way that will take care of security without touching the efficiency of the airport."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...tole-says.html
U.S. Airlines, Fliers May See Security Fees Rise, Pistole Says
By John Hughes - Nov 19, 2010 11:25 AM
An increase in U.S. airline security fees is among “strong possibilities” being considered to pay for increased costs of detecting terrorist threats, the Transportation Security Administration chief said.
“There are some different fees being discussed,” John Pistole, who leads the agency, said in an interview today at Bloomberg’s office in Washington. The $2.50-a-passenger security fee now added to ticket prices is “obviously a significant source of revenue for providing security services. That is one of those strong possibilities.”
Transportation security officials are seeking ways to raise revenue after expediting deployment of full-body scanners at U.S. airports. The security agency acted after a 23-year-old Nigerian man attempted to ignite explosives in his undergarments on a Detroit-bound flight on Christmas Day last year.
By John Hughes - Nov 19, 2010 11:25 AM
An increase in U.S. airline security fees is among “strong possibilities” being considered to pay for increased costs of detecting terrorist threats, the Transportation Security Administration chief said.
“There are some different fees being discussed,” John Pistole, who leads the agency, said in an interview today at Bloomberg’s office in Washington. The $2.50-a-passenger security fee now added to ticket prices is “obviously a significant source of revenue for providing security services. That is one of those strong possibilities.”
Transportation security officials are seeking ways to raise revenue after expediting deployment of full-body scanners at U.S. airports. The security agency acted after a 23-year-old Nigerian man attempted to ignite explosives in his undergarments on a Detroit-bound flight on Christmas Day last year.
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Nov 19, 2010, 12:03 pm
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Boston Globe columnist - Invasion of Privacy
Excerpt:
“You want to opt out?’’ a guard asked.
“I don’t want to go through that,’’ I said.
From several TSA employees came cries of “Opt out!’’ “Male opt out!’’ I was pulled over to the side and told I would be searched.
The TSA has just recently implemented what it euphemistically calls an “enhanced patdown.’’ The agent firmly ran his hands over my entire body, head to toe, front and back. He rubbed his hands over my buttocks and in between. He put his hands in my pants and ran them all around my waist. From behind, he ran his hands along my legs, all the way up my thigh as high as he could go and onto my genitals.
Then he moved in front of me and then did the same thing again. Remember the question once asked of candidate Bill Clinton: “Boxers or briefs?’’ My TSA examiner knows.
I have never been sexually molested or raped, so I have no idea how my experience compares. But I walked away feeling invaded, sickened, and humiliated. During the long drive after I landed, those three minutes kept obsessively turning over in my mind. Late that night, in a strange hotel room, I suddenly woke with the panicked belief that rough hands were prodding my body. That time, it was only a dream.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...on_of_privacy/
“You want to opt out?’’ a guard asked.
“I don’t want to go through that,’’ I said.
From several TSA employees came cries of “Opt out!’’ “Male opt out!’’ I was pulled over to the side and told I would be searched.
The TSA has just recently implemented what it euphemistically calls an “enhanced patdown.’’ The agent firmly ran his hands over my entire body, head to toe, front and back. He rubbed his hands over my buttocks and in between. He put his hands in my pants and ran them all around my waist. From behind, he ran his hands along my legs, all the way up my thigh as high as he could go and onto my genitals.
Then he moved in front of me and then did the same thing again. Remember the question once asked of candidate Bill Clinton: “Boxers or briefs?’’ My TSA examiner knows.
I have never been sexually molested or raped, so I have no idea how my experience compares. But I walked away feeling invaded, sickened, and humiliated. During the long drive after I landed, those three minutes kept obsessively turning over in my mind. Late that night, in a strange hotel room, I suddenly woke with the panicked belief that rough hands were prodding my body. That time, it was only a dream.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...on_of_privacy/
Nov 19, 2010, 12:05 pm
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Saw this earlier and had to share.. pretty funny.
http://usefulnfo.com/2010/11/19/yout...ty-procedures/
Wow is all I can say.. if this is widespread there is no way it will be allowed.
Everyone needs to stand up to this treatment...
For more info:
http://www.optoutday.com/
Sign the petition:
http://flywithdignity.org/
http://usefulnfo.com/2010/11/19/yout...ty-procedures/
Excerpt:
“You want to opt out?’’ a guard asked.
“I don’t want to go through that,’’ I said.
From several TSA employees came cries of “Opt out!’’ “Male opt out!’’ I was pulled over to the side and told I would be searched.
The TSA has just recently implemented what it euphemistically calls an “enhanced patdown.’’ The agent firmly ran his hands over my entire body, head to toe, front and back. He rubbed his hands over my buttocks and in between. He put his hands in my pants and ran them all around my waist. From behind, he ran his hands along my legs, all the way up my thigh as high as he could go and onto my genitals.
Then he moved in front of me and then did the same thing again. Remember the question once asked of candidate Bill Clinton: “Boxers or briefs?’’ My TSA examiner knows.
I have never been sexually molested or raped, so I have no idea how my experience compares. But I walked away feeling invaded, sickened, and humiliated. During the long drive after I landed, those three minutes kept obsessively turning over in my mind. Late that night, in a strange hotel room, I suddenly woke with the panicked belief that rough hands were prodding my body. That time, it was only a dream.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...on_of_privacy/
“You want to opt out?’’ a guard asked.
“I don’t want to go through that,’’ I said.
From several TSA employees came cries of “Opt out!’’ “Male opt out!’’ I was pulled over to the side and told I would be searched.
The TSA has just recently implemented what it euphemistically calls an “enhanced patdown.’’ The agent firmly ran his hands over my entire body, head to toe, front and back. He rubbed his hands over my buttocks and in between. He put his hands in my pants and ran them all around my waist. From behind, he ran his hands along my legs, all the way up my thigh as high as he could go and onto my genitals.
Then he moved in front of me and then did the same thing again. Remember the question once asked of candidate Bill Clinton: “Boxers or briefs?’’ My TSA examiner knows.
I have never been sexually molested or raped, so I have no idea how my experience compares. But I walked away feeling invaded, sickened, and humiliated. During the long drive after I landed, those three minutes kept obsessively turning over in my mind. Late that night, in a strange hotel room, I suddenly woke with the panicked belief that rough hands were prodding my body. That time, it was only a dream.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...on_of_privacy/
Everyone needs to stand up to this treatment...
For more info:
http://www.optoutday.com/
Sign the petition:
http://flywithdignity.org/
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Nov 19, 2010, 1:35 pm
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...s-for-boehner/
I wonder if Boehner feels our pain? 
Bruce
Originally Posted by Excerpt
November 19, 2010, 2:23 pm
No Security Pat-Downs for Boehner
By JEFF ZELENY
Representative John A. Boehner, soon to be the Speaker of the House, has pledged to fly commercial airlines back to his home district in Ohio. But that does not mean that he will be subjected to the hassles of ordinary passengers, including the controversial security pat-downs.
As he left Washington on Friday, Mr. Boehner headed across the Potomac River to Reagan National Airport, which was bustling with afternoon travelers. But there was no waiting in line for Mr. Boehner, who was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate....
No Security Pat-Downs for Boehner
By JEFF ZELENY
Representative John A. Boehner, soon to be the Speaker of the House, has pledged to fly commercial airlines back to his home district in Ohio. But that does not mean that he will be subjected to the hassles of ordinary passengers, including the controversial security pat-downs.
As he left Washington on Friday, Mr. Boehner headed across the Potomac River to Reagan National Airport, which was bustling with afternoon travelers. But there was no waiting in line for Mr. Boehner, who was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate....
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Nov 19, 2010, 1:38 pm
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NYT: No Security Pat-Downs for Boehner
New York Times: "No Security Pat-Downs for Boehner"
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ns-for-boehner
My favorite part: "As he left Washington on Friday, Mr. Boehner headed across the Potomac River to Reagan National Airport, which was bustling with afternoon travelers. But there was no waiting in line for Mr. Boehner, who was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate.
Mr. Boehner, who was wearing a casual yellow sweater and tan slacks, carried his own bags and smiled pleasantly at passengers who were leaving the security checkpoint inside the airport terminal."
OK, Ohio, you elected this guy. Time to start contacting him since he will never have to deal with that same stuff that "the little people" do.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ns-for-boehner
My favorite part: "As he left Washington on Friday, Mr. Boehner headed across the Potomac River to Reagan National Airport, which was bustling with afternoon travelers. But there was no waiting in line for Mr. Boehner, who was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate.
Mr. Boehner, who was wearing a casual yellow sweater and tan slacks, carried his own bags and smiled pleasantly at passengers who were leaving the security checkpoint inside the airport terminal."
OK, Ohio, you elected this guy. Time to start contacting him since he will never have to deal with that same stuff that "the little people" do.
Nov 19, 2010, 1:44 pm
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New York Times: "No Security Pat-Downs for Boehner"
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ns-for-boehner
My favorite part: "As he left Washington on Friday, Mr. Boehner headed across the Potomac River to Reagan National Airport, which was bustling with afternoon travelers. But there was no waiting in line for Mr. Boehner, who was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate.
Mr. Boehner, who was wearing a casual yellow sweater and tan slacks, carried his own bags and smiled pleasantly at passengers who were leaving the security checkpoint inside the airport terminal."
OK, Ohio, you elected this guy. Time to start contacting him since he will never have to deal with that same stuff that "the little people" do.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ns-for-boehner
My favorite part: "As he left Washington on Friday, Mr. Boehner headed across the Potomac River to Reagan National Airport, which was bustling with afternoon travelers. But there was no waiting in line for Mr. Boehner, who was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate.
Mr. Boehner, who was wearing a casual yellow sweater and tan slacks, carried his own bags and smiled pleasantly at passengers who were leaving the security checkpoint inside the airport terminal."
OK, Ohio, you elected this guy. Time to start contacting him since he will never have to deal with that same stuff that "the little people" do.
But POLITICIANS are more trustworthy, and obviously would never do that? Do all members of congress get the same treatment at security? I remember the Wikileaks TSA SOP stated cabinet-level and higher officials are exempt, but I wasn't aware that the speaker of the house qualified as cabinet-level.
Nov 19, 2010, 1:54 pm
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http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...iticized_N.htm
Rep. Chaffetz (introduced anti-AIT legislation in 2009) trying to get a meeting with Pistole:
http://townhall.com/columnists/Elisa...tsa/page/full/
TSA pat-downs 'overly intrusive,' key lawmakers say
Updated 59m ago
By Alan Levin, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The incoming leaders of the House Transportation Committee on Friday called the new airport pat-down procedures "overly intrusive" and demanded that the Transportation Security Administration restrict their use.
In a letter to the TSA, Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., and Rep. Thomas Petri, R-Wis., who are set to assume leadership of aviation issues in Congress next year when Republicans take control, said only the highest risk passengers should be subjected to the more aggressive pat-downs.
It is the harshest reaction to date on the new searches from key leaders in Congress. "The entire focus of TSA's efforts to improve aviation security needs to be revisited," Mica and Petri wrote in the letter. They accused TSA of reacting to old threats — in this case, the so-called "underwear bomber" who attempted to blow up a jet last Christmas — while failing to be "proactive".
Updated 59m ago
By Alan Levin, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The incoming leaders of the House Transportation Committee on Friday called the new airport pat-down procedures "overly intrusive" and demanded that the Transportation Security Administration restrict their use.
In a letter to the TSA, Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., and Rep. Thomas Petri, R-Wis., who are set to assume leadership of aviation issues in Congress next year when Republicans take control, said only the highest risk passengers should be subjected to the more aggressive pat-downs.
It is the harshest reaction to date on the new searches from key leaders in Congress. "The entire focus of TSA's efforts to improve aviation security needs to be revisited," Mica and Petri wrote in the letter. They accused TSA of reacting to old threats — in this case, the so-called "underwear bomber" who attempted to blow up a jet last Christmas — while failing to be "proactive".
http://townhall.com/columnists/Elisa...tsa/page/full/
Leading GOP Oversight Congressman Works to Fix the TSA
Email Elisabeth Meinecke
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) has been working for over 18 months to moderate the TSA’s use of the new body scanners that have caused privacy concerns with their explicit images. He got an amendment through the House in June 2009 that forbid the body scanners be used as the primary form of screening, but the legislation hasn’t made it through the Democrat-controlled Senate. Chaffetz is currently trying to meet with TSA administrator John Pistole, and he sent letters to both the TSA and the DHS in August, with the TSA letter expressing concern over the latest security implementation: invasive pat-downs.
“I ask that you please share with my colleagues and me what information prompted this change,” Chaffetz wrote. “Was there evidence that the new technique is demonstrably more effective at detecting potential security risks or threats than the old technique? Have there been security lapses occasioned by the use of the old method which would have been prevented had the new method been in place? What end do you envision for this method at the conclusion of your testing? How is this method different from the method abandoned in 2004 as inappropriate?
Email Elisabeth Meinecke
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) has been working for over 18 months to moderate the TSA’s use of the new body scanners that have caused privacy concerns with their explicit images. He got an amendment through the House in June 2009 that forbid the body scanners be used as the primary form of screening, but the legislation hasn’t made it through the Democrat-controlled Senate. Chaffetz is currently trying to meet with TSA administrator John Pistole, and he sent letters to both the TSA and the DHS in August, with the TSA letter expressing concern over the latest security implementation: invasive pat-downs.
“I ask that you please share with my colleagues and me what information prompted this change,” Chaffetz wrote. “Was there evidence that the new technique is demonstrably more effective at detecting potential security risks or threats than the old technique? Have there been security lapses occasioned by the use of the old method which would have been prevented had the new method been in place? What end do you envision for this method at the conclusion of your testing? How is this method different from the method abandoned in 2004 as inappropriate?
Nov 19, 2010, 1:55 pm
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Nov 19, 2010, 1:56 pm
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Nov 19, 2010, 2:15 pm
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Editorial by The Washington Post -- this is the view of the paper, not a columnist. "The naked truth about scanners: They're necessary"
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111805727.html
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111805727.html
Nov 19, 2010, 3:09 pm
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I have long suspected that the R-side of the aisle (aided and abetted by the likes of Fox, et al) would start to use this whole mess to paint the President and Democrats with some broad brush that will, as usual, be coated with a smelly paint of half-truths, lies, and unusually weird assumptions. This whole security theater thing ramped up under Bush 43, pushed by Rs who wanted us all to know that THEY were patriotic and protecting the U.S., yadda, yadda, yadda after 9/11. Now, we are reaping what they sowed, and they're hopping on the bandwagon of fingerpointing, hoping no one will notice that both sides of the aisle participated in the processes that have brought us to unwanted sexual assault at the airport.
Why am I not surprised that Republican Boner of Ohio gets his elite path cleared so he doesn't have to have a TSA groper search his overly small testicles? Wasn't his party the ones yelling when someone steered Al Gore around a security checkpoint once? Hypocrisy, thy name is GOP leadership.
Truth to tell, ALL OF the establishment bears a lot of blame in this mess, for both sides have used the terrorism thing to whip up hysteria.
I'd rather see some real reform coming from D.C. on this whole mess. But, of course we won't ... not as long as there's politcal capital to be gained by scaring the .... out of people with bogeymen. The TSA is but an arm of a bipartisan political establishment that is now seeing what their idiocy has gained them.
I find it interesting that "Big Gubmint" haters were the first ones to jump on the "strip search for security" bandwagon when it was politically expedient to use "terrists" as a way to scare americans. Now that it's biting them in the ..., they are screeching that it's somebody else's fault.
Why am I not surprised that Republican Boner of Ohio gets his elite path cleared so he doesn't have to have a TSA groper search his overly small testicles? Wasn't his party the ones yelling when someone steered Al Gore around a security checkpoint once? Hypocrisy, thy name is GOP leadership.
Truth to tell, ALL OF the establishment bears a lot of blame in this mess, for both sides have used the terrorism thing to whip up hysteria.
I'd rather see some real reform coming from D.C. on this whole mess. But, of course we won't ... not as long as there's politcal capital to be gained by scaring the .... out of people with bogeymen. The TSA is but an arm of a bipartisan political establishment that is now seeing what their idiocy has gained them.
I find it interesting that "Big Gubmint" haters were the first ones to jump on the "strip search for security" bandwagon when it was politically expedient to use "terrists" as a way to scare americans. Now that it's biting them in the ..., they are screeching that it's somebody else's fault.
Nov 19, 2010, 3:27 pm
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This one's on yahoo today about some airports considering the TSA opt-out entirely!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101119/...UYZcnp_6B0fNdF
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101119/...UYZcnp_6B0fNdF
Nov 19, 2010, 4:03 pm
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Nov 19, 2010, 8:45 pm
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Schneier on Security - blog
Schneier on Security - blog - overview of current events related to TSA activities
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...ter.html?nc=96
November 19, 2010
TSA Backscatter X-ray Backlash
Bruce Schneier is huge authority in cryptography and IT security, probably the best globally known specialist in these areas and general security as well. Author of several bestsellers - books about security. Only if somebody from TSA would ever read them... <sigh>.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Schneier
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...ter.html?nc=96
November 19, 2010
TSA Backscatter X-ray Backlash
Bruce Schneier is huge authority in cryptography and IT security, probably the best globally known specialist in these areas and general security as well. Author of several bestsellers - books about security. Only if somebody from TSA would ever read them... <sigh>.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Schneier
Nov 19, 2010, 8:54 pm
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GRR was on my 'decent' list until now albeit I haven't had a pat down there. There was a lot of German business flying out of GRR.