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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 14534222)
Doing nothing other than wanting to travel by airplane seems to be the illegal act. Otherwise why would we be subject to strip searches, invasive pat downs including the genitals, having our personal papers read by government employees and having to show proof of who we are just to get accepted to the screening process.
Something is bad wrong and DHS/TSA is dead center of the problem. I can no longer forgive those people who work for TSA. If TSA employees had any bit of patriotism left in them they would walk away from this institutionalize abuse of the public. How far we have fallen. |
Originally Posted by SFO777
(Post 14534078)
Let me see if I understand this... OP walked around a major airport in Texas for an hour photographing security checkpoints and TSA employees, and he is surprised that he is followed, interrogated, harassed, etc...? :D:rolleyes:
BTW, not that it makes any difference, but Houston is a blue city. |
Originally Posted by SFO777
(Post 14534078)
Let me see if I understand this... OP walked around a major airport in Texas for an hour photographing security checkpoints and TSA employees, and he is surprised that he is followed, interrogated, harassed, etc...? :D:rolleyes:
If you are doing something perfectly legal but someone else thinks what you are doing is suspicious, well, let's just all understand that you are going to be followed, interrogated, harassed, etc. Brilliant. |
Originally Posted by mozgytog
(Post 14534318)
The TSA never had any patriotism. What they have is fear. Can you imagine what would've happened if someone had proposed the TSA to the likes of Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, John Hancock, Nathan Hale, Samuel Adams and Paul Revere?
How far we have fallen. |
Originally Posted by PhoenixRev
(Post 14534342)
I guess that is the standard now.
If you are doing something perfectly legal but someone else thinks what you are doing is suspicious, well, let's just all understand that you are going to be followed, interrogated, harassed, etc. Brilliant. Oh, and you do know that once they are cut off, they don't grow back... |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14534266)
Are you kidding? I haven't even addressed Antibes blame in this situation. I only pointed out that the BDOs did nothing illegal, as far as we can discern from what the OP wrote. And I comment that another posters desire to punish the family members of the LEOs goes too far. And that's all I post about.
Interesting that you read I was tryingto shift the blame from what I wrote... False reports to the police are illegal. Violating peoples civil rights are illegal. Just what did these TSA {BDOs?} employees do that was legal? |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 14534424)
Stalking is illegal.
False reports to the police are illegal. Violating peoples civil rights are illegal. Just what did these TSA {BDOs?} employees do that was legal? |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14534463)
Your making many assumptions. But you know that, right?
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wow, thanks for the eye-opening post. it's like that saying, "innocent people get locked up EVERY day":(
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Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 14534335)
BTW, not that it makes any difference, but Houston is a blue city.
Not that it makes any difference. |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14534463)
Your making many assumptions. But you know that, right?
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 14534484)
And you're not?
I'll respond to that, and change my opinion and what I say, if and when he post other evidence, such as a police report.
Originally Posted by crhptic
(Post 14534525)
You're grammatically misguided. But you know that, right? :p
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14534528)
I am only responding to what was post by the OP. As of yet, he has not post any evidence the BDO's lied, or any other evidence to support any of your other claims.
I'll respond to that, and change my opinion and what I say, if and when he post other evidence, such as a police report. What happened was not right regardless of the steps OP takes. TSA certainly played a key role in the process, that in my mind places them in the wrong. |
Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 14527407)
The actions of the TSA staff in this episode do not surprise me in the least. And while I am disappointed in HPD's reaction, it wasn't totally unexpected either.
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Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 14533786)
Social shame vs social outcast/branding is 6 of 1 half-dozen of another to me.
I lean toward protecting the rights of millions of innocent citizens over the quality-of-life of bad cops and social-status of their families. It seems you go the other way. Their chance for redress is the same that people have had for centuries. Distance themselves from the offenders, leave town, and if necessary change their names. Abuse I would rain down? Have you read about what TSA has done to innocents via the NFL, supposedly occasional bad actions of supposedly rogue TSOs (big stuff like forcing to drink breastmilk, abuse of the disabled, forcing a woman to remove a nipple ring with pliers while TSOs giggled at her, forcing minors to drop their pants, confiscating/destroying non-WEI property)? And "little" stuff like the OP's story (which was enabled by TSA), the Bierfieldt case, and the repeated incidents in PHL. Have you read about the increasing police abuses of innocent citizens (google "cheye calvo" or "atlanta police shoot 92 year old") and the consistent police efforts to cover up and defend these actions? The difference is that I have no dictatorial or tyrannical ambitions. I just want to see justice for the innocent citizens who have suffered these abuses and to see the rest of us left alone and allowed to live our lives in a free country, not a police state. (directed at another poster, not me: ) The HPD described by the OP would fit in better. The argument you make about protecting the "millions" over the individual is basically what every despotic nation in the last 100 years has used. Such despotic rulers do the evil things they do to the individuals for the good of everyone else (the country). You name here on FT suggest you are or have been a student. NOT to be insulting, but I suggest you can learn more about this; take some good history classes (and SERIOUSLY, I did not mean that as an insult! :) ) It IS ALWAYS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. ALWAYS. However, I could care less about the quality of life of good cops vs bad cops. To clarify, I post my first response to you because of several key words you used, one of which you have not used again - and I think for good measure. You stated the families of the cops should be "ostracized". This is certainly cruel and unusual, in my opinion. Why would the children or husband/wife of a LEO who violates someones civil liberties deserve such a thing? How can anyone claim to support democracy, when they so willingly trample on the rights and liberty and dignity of innocent people? I am all for holding public servanct finicially accountable when it appears they willfully violated their trust is such a gross way. Even if that puts them on the street, and their family too, by default. But to "ostracize" the entire family for the actions of one? Nope, not good; not what a democratic nation does. And by the way, public shame does NOT equal or equate to "ostracize". Someone can be ostracized and feel no shame, or there be no public shame involved. But again, you used that word only once, and seem to have withdrawn from it - but you haven't publically stated so. And yes, if you would treat innocent people such, I would be fearful that you would rain down abuse on undeserving people. And it does NOT matter that you think (even IF its true) that TSA abuses people. Or are you really going to argue that "two wrongs make a right"? Again, as you name here suggest, I certainly hope not. Now I have one more post tonight, and then thats about all I will say on this subject, unless the OP eventually post more info. |
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