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OP's story is pretty much par for the course when you are dealing with people that have checked powers
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14532126)
Only really interested in the last part you said. In fact, not only did the BDOs not do anything "blantanly illegal", they did nothing illegal.
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14532126)
And are you serious? All of your argument can be thrown out the window after what you said. So much for freedom and liberty, huh? Punish innocent people because your pissed off at the actions of others. Nice. You win te hypocrite award of the month award. Good job.
The OP was posing no threat to aviation security, transportation security, or the airport by taking pictures. But instead of acting rationally, the crack BDO squad decided to harass someone until someone with the authority to detain showed up. It's not at all unlikely that the airport monkeys decided to tell the pigs something untrue, just as a retaliatory action for not bowing down and immediately recognizing their authority. At any rate, we'll find out if DCA is much better at this game of "harass the innocent public for no reason" soon... ;) |
Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh
(Post 14532195)
OP's story is pretty much par for the course when you are dealing with people that have checked powers
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W O W !!
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14532126)
Only really interested in the last part you said. In fact, not only did the BDOs not do anything "blantanly illegal", they did nothing illegal.
And are you serious? All of your argument can be thrown out the window after what you said. So much for freedom and liberty, huh? Punish innocent people because your pissed off at the actions of others. Nice. You win te hypocrite award of the month award. Good job. The TSOs/BDOs? I said nothing about punishing the TSOs/BDOs. I may not like what they did, but like I said, they have as much right to follow someone around in a public place as anyone else. The LEOs? Give me a break. They detained, harassed, intimidated, humiliated, lied to about legal questions, intrusively searched, and confiscated property without cause from an innocent citizen. The LEOs families? Give me a break. The ill-conceived actions of a spouse can ruin the other's life up to and including causing the family to be put out on the street; just ask Ruth Madoff. I didn't propose any legal or government punishments for the families, just social shame. Social shame is an incredibly powerful tool that is grossly underutilized these days--if the wife and kids are ashamed that their dad was a bullying cop and were shunned by the community and forced to live incognito, it would give great pause to other cops who were considering bullying citizens. The events of the OP provide yet more evidence that our once great country has descended to a level as worse or worse than East Germany and the USSR. While many citizens, either in those past places or here, may never encounter such abuse because they keep their heads down and never challenge authority, that doesn't make the abuse right. Call me a hypocrite if you want, but I want my country back. |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14532126)
Only really interested in the last part you said. In fact, not only did the BDOs not do anything "blantanly illegal", they did nothing illegal.
And are you serious? All of your argument can be thrown out the window after what you said. So much for freedom and liberty, huh? Punish innocent people because your pissed off at the actions of others. Nice. You win te hypocrite award of the month award. Good job. All that happened up to the point of TSA employees violating his civil rights was walking around and taking some pictures in a public place. TSA instigated these problems without cause. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 14532366)
The OP was not attempting to enter the secure area.
All that happened up to the point of TSA employees violating his civil rights was walking around and taking some pictures in a public place. TSA instigated these problems without cause. |
Originally Posted by kochleffel
(Post 14527353)
I spent some time in East Germany 40 years ago when it was still the Deutsche Demokratische Republik. I had a camera with me but took almost no pictures, because our guide reeled off a long list of things it was unlawful to photograph and, to the extent that I could remember the list, there were hardly any scenes that didn't contain something verboten.
The guide, by the way, was a Communist Party hack and otherwise useless: he didn't know where anything was, took us to museums on the days they were closed, etc. He was always leaning out the window asking "Zum Bahnhof?" even though we didn't want to go to the Bahnhof at all. PS: That same summer I was hassled in Amsterdam by the hippies in Dam square when I photographed the area and in La Defense shopping center when I tried photographing the interior. |
Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 14532323)
Who is innocent?
The TSOs/BDOs? I said nothing about punishing the TSOs/BDOs. I may not like what they did, but like I said, they have as much right to follow someone around in a public place as anyone else. The LEOs? Give me a break. They detained, harassed, intimidated, humiliated, lied to about legal questions, intrusively searched, and confiscated property without cause from an innocent citizen. The LEOs families? Give me a break. The ill-conceived actions of a spouse can ruin the other's life up to and including causing the family to be put out on the street; just ask Ruth Madoff. I didn't propose any legal or government punishments for the families, just social shame. Social shame is an incredibly powerful tool that is grossly underutilized these days--if the wife and kids are ashamed that their dad was a bullying cop and were shunned by the community and forced to live incognito, it would give great pause to other cops who were considering bullying citizens. The events of the OP provide yet more evidence that our once great country has descended to a level as worse or worse than East Germany and the USSR. While many citizens, either in those past places or here, may never encounter such abuse because they keep their heads down and never challenge authority, that doesn't make the abuse right. Call me a hypocrite if you want, but I want my country back. they and their families socially branded and ostracized so badly that decent people refuse to interact with them Yeah, hide behind your claims that it's not governmen punishing them. What you suggest is far worse. And I makes you hypocritical in all that you say. You not only want to punish the lives if innocent family members, you utterly wantto ruin their lives. And notice, i am NOT talking about finical compensation, or putting them out on the street. But if we take what you suggest and implement, I hope everyone in your family never violates a law, otherwise, your life may be ruined.
Originally Posted by clrankin
(Post 14532223)
So wonderful to know that it's legal for two airport monkeys to follow someone around harassing them.
How are the BDOs innocent here? When they were (presumedly) on the phone with the police, they obviously knew that taking pictures in the airport wasn't illegal. What was the concern-- that someone didn't want to bow down to them and kiss their shoes, or stand at attention and raise their right arm up and forward toward them? The OP was posing no threat to aviation security, transportation security, or the airport by taking pictures. But instead of acting rationally, the crack BDO squad decided to harass someone until someone with the authority to detain showed up. It's not at all unlikely that the airport monkeys decided to tell the pigs something untrue, just as a retaliatory action for not bowing down and immediately recognizing their authority. At any rate, we'll find out if DCA is much better at this game of "harass the innocent public for no reason" soon... ;) |
Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 14530824)
But the LEOs were pigs (and I use that term intentionally and specifically to refer to those LEOs that did this) who should be terminated, stripped of their pensions, sued for everything they are worth, they and their families through out on the street, and they and their families socially branded and ostracized so badly that decent people refuse to interact with them.
Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 14532323)
Who is innocent?
The TSOs/BDOs? I said nothing about punishing the TSOs/BDOs. I may not like what they did, but like I said, they have as much right to follow someone around in a public place as anyone else.
Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 14532323)
The LEOs families? Give me a break. The ill-conceived actions of a spouse can ruin the other's life up to and including causing the family to be put out on the street; just ask Ruth Madoff.
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Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 14532287)
Do you mean unchecked or checked? :confused:
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I'm sorry that the OP had to go through all that. :(
IIRC, airports are not really "public" areas, or are they? Some of the airports that I've been to are operated by airport authories that are considered private corporation. What if the airport authority puts up "No Photography Inside" signs at the entrances? (which my local supermarket has) I remember watching FoxNews(don't judge me :) ) yesterda and they were talking about Texas or some other state where it is illegal to photograph law enforcement officers on duty. I only saw 30 seconds.... what was that all about? |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14532126)
Only really interested in the last part you said. In fact, not only did the BDOs not do anything "blantanly illegal", they did nothing illegal.
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I'm particularly irked that they felt it necessary to take OP's equipment away. Pigs, in the extreme.
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 14532890)
And i would argue the family members of the LEOs were no threat to the constitutional rights of the OP and to support the idea that thei lives should be entirely wrecked by association is more than just a breach of civil liberties.
Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 14532998)
The wife and kids . . . duh!
That makes them not innocent? Does the 1-year old know what daddy does for a living? Social shame is probably the most civilized and palatable form of mob justice. But what else are we left with? Given the choice between deterring abuse by shaming a couple of families out of town (Houston in this case) or putting up with endless abuse by police, I'll take the lesser of the two evils. Particularly since I think it would work pretty quickly at making cops think twice before doing this sort of BS. |
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