Whole Body Scanners Opt Out Stories [merged]
#3571
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: CMH
Programs: Delta Gold Medallion, United
Posts: 433
Were you at the ABC checkpoint? That CP has a WTMD on the far right that isn't generally open and D/E has one on the left (that I've never, ever seen open). And were you going through the CP early morning? Thats the only time I've really heard of non-opt outs getting sent through the WTMD at PDX.
#3572
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: PDX
Posts: 469
Thought so. Yeah, pretty much the only time I've heard of the WTMD only lanes being open at PDX are during the early morning when its most crowded. Later in the day there aren't any SDOO opportunities and its MMW only for the most part. But when the stand alone machine(s) are open its far right at ABC and far left at D/E. I'm glad you were able to get through the WTMD on your trip. Next time I fly I'm going to schedule a 6 am ish flight and see how it is for myself.
#3573
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: MKE, formerly the closest FT-er to LAX
Programs: Marriott Gold. Usually WN or DL if in the air.
Posts: 704
Thought so. Yeah, pretty much the only time I've heard of the WTMD only lanes being open at PDX are during the early morning when its most crowded. Later in the day there aren't any SDOO opportunities and its MMW only for the most part. But when the stand alone machine(s) are open its far right at ABC and far left at D/E. I'm glad you were able to get through the WTMD on your trip. Next time I fly I'm going to schedule a 6 am ish flight and see how it is for myself.
#3574
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: PDX
Posts: 469
I appreciate the additional info. I prefer flights later in the day, but I'll make sure future trips are really early morning departures flying out of PDX to give myself more of a shot of not having to opt out. I did, however, fly out once last year and got into the security line a little before 8:30am at D/E and it was only body scanners in operation with a very few diverted to WTMD.
#3575
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 171
At MSY today, waits were 20 minutes and all WTMDs were roped off with all passengers being sent through the millimeter wave machines. I told the screener who was blocking the WTMD that I can't raise my arm above my head and he let me go through the metal detector.
My husband opted out and had to wait 10 more minutes for his groper. He passed the time berating the screeners at the doorway since they wouldn't let him proceed past the metal detector or scanner until his groper arrived. This meant he couldn't see his bags all that time. (though I kept my eye on them). When the male assist arrived, they brought my husband around the metal detector so he didn't go through either that or the MMW.
My husband gave his groper some grief about the wait, about the fact that the machines weren't properly tested in a peer-reviewed forum before being put into use. The screener said it was my husband's choice to opt out and "you could have been on your plane already". The patdown was purely pro-forma and skipped hands down the pants, didn't involve junk-touching. The screener seemed resigned to answer hostile questions without getting emotionally involved, and even hilariously said, "Yeah, yeah, 9/11," in a I'm-reciting-from-a-script-I-don't-believe fashion.
I was taking pictures with my phone camera throughout the process. Surprisingly, no one interfered with me as I snapped pictures. The groper said, "If you're putting those on the internet, I want royalties."
I answered, "Oh, I sincerely hope you get what's coming to you. And I mean that."
My husband opted out and had to wait 10 more minutes for his groper. He passed the time berating the screeners at the doorway since they wouldn't let him proceed past the metal detector or scanner until his groper arrived. This meant he couldn't see his bags all that time. (though I kept my eye on them). When the male assist arrived, they brought my husband around the metal detector so he didn't go through either that or the MMW.
My husband gave his groper some grief about the wait, about the fact that the machines weren't properly tested in a peer-reviewed forum before being put into use. The screener said it was my husband's choice to opt out and "you could have been on your plane already". The patdown was purely pro-forma and skipped hands down the pants, didn't involve junk-touching. The screener seemed resigned to answer hostile questions without getting emotionally involved, and even hilariously said, "Yeah, yeah, 9/11," in a I'm-reciting-from-a-script-I-don't-believe fashion.
I was taking pictures with my phone camera throughout the process. Surprisingly, no one interfered with me as I snapped pictures. The groper said, "If you're putting those on the internet, I want royalties."
I answered, "Oh, I sincerely hope you get what's coming to you. And I mean that."
#3576
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Mississippi
Programs: formerly SW, DL; currently Amtrak S+
Posts: 86
Interesting nobody gave you grief about taking pictures considering they say on their website as a part of the Q&A section:
Can I take personal pictures in the airport?
A: Personal pictures may be taken in the airport, however photographs of security operations and personnel are not allowed. This applies to the screening areas.
MSY and GPT used to be airports that I used before my boycott of air travel beginning in November, 2010.
Can I take personal pictures in the airport?
A: Personal pictures may be taken in the airport, however photographs of security operations and personnel are not allowed. This applies to the screening areas.
MSY and GPT used to be airports that I used before my boycott of air travel beginning in November, 2010.
#3577
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: CLT
Programs: Pre✓, Delta DM, Hilton LT Diamond, Mariott Plat, PC Gold, National EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 1,655
Interesting nobody gave you grief about taking pictures considering they say on their website as a part of the Q&A section:
Can I take personal pictures in the airport?
A: Personal pictures may be taken in the airport, however photographs of security operations and personnel are not allowed. This applies to the screening areas.
MSY and GPT used to be airports that I used before my boycott of air travel beginning in November, 2010.
Can I take personal pictures in the airport?
A: Personal pictures may be taken in the airport, however photographs of security operations and personnel are not allowed. This applies to the screening areas.
MSY and GPT used to be airports that I used before my boycott of air travel beginning in November, 2010.
Here's what I found from a link on the homepage of Flyertalk under the Lucy Schulte story. Granted this link is from 2009 ...
http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/03/can-i-ta...point-and.html
Also see the following thread for a more in-depth discussion.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/pract...irport-13.html
You also have the right to record per the following:
The right to record
Public officials in a public place can be recorded per the Federal appeals court
Last edited by KenTarmac; Mar 4, 2013 at 1:07 pm
#3578
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Mississippi
Programs: formerly SW, DL; currently Amtrak S+
Posts: 86
DOH! I should have been more specific and included the link. I was aware of TSA's policy regarding photographing/videotaping, which is why I brought it up.
I got the Q&A segment from the FAQ's portion of MSY's site. Scroll down to the "Miscellaneous" section.
http://www.flymsy.com/faqs#Q96
I got the Q&A segment from the FAQ's portion of MSY's site. Scroll down to the "Miscellaneous" section.
http://www.flymsy.com/faqs#Q96
#3579
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Mississippi
Programs: formerly SW, DL; currently Amtrak S+
Posts: 86
DOH! I should have been more specific and included the link. I was aware of TSA's policy regarding photographing/videotaping, which is why I brought it up.
I got the Q&A segment from the FAQ's portion of MSY's site. Scroll down to the "Miscellaneous" section.
http://www.flymsy.com/faqs#Q96
I got the Q&A segment from the FAQ's portion of MSY's site. Scroll down to the "Miscellaneous" section.
http://www.flymsy.com/faqs#Q96
#3580
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: From ORK, live LCY
Programs: BA Silver, EI Silver, HH Gold, BW Gold, ABP, Seigneur des Horaires des Mucci
Posts: 14,214
Where'd you get that Q&A from?
Here's what I found from a link on the homepage of Flyertalk under the Lucy Schulte story. Granted this link is from 2009 ...
http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/03/can-i-ta...point-and.html
Also see the following thread for a more in-depth discussion.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/pract...irport-13.html
You also have the right to record per the following:
The right to record
Public officials in a public place can be recorded per the Federal appeals court
Here's what I found from a link on the homepage of Flyertalk under the Lucy Schulte story. Granted this link is from 2009 ...
http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/03/can-i-ta...point-and.html
Also see the following thread for a more in-depth discussion.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/pract...irport-13.html
You also have the right to record per the following:
The right to record
Public officials in a public place can be recorded per the Federal appeals court
#3581
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast Kansas | Colorado Native
Programs: Amex Gold/Plat, UA *G, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott LT Gold, NEXUS, TSA Disparager Unobtanium
Posts: 21,603
Flew out of AUS on Sunday. They have three checkpoints, two of which have MMW and had their WTMDs roped off.. Naturally, the lines for both of those checkpoints were 20++ minutes.
Just as I was about to enter, I caught a glimpse of two WTMDs down by the Delta/AS ticket counters. There was no line, which made me think it was an employee lane, but minutes later, I was throughout without having any shoulder pain or having to opt-out.. Of course, as I walked past the MMW checkpoint, people who were waiting in line when I went through were still waiting to dump their items on the x-ray.
Somebody, please tell me how the MMW is faster than WTMD???
Just as I was about to enter, I caught a glimpse of two WTMDs down by the Delta/AS ticket counters. There was no line, which made me think it was an employee lane, but minutes later, I was throughout without having any shoulder pain or having to opt-out.. Of course, as I walked past the MMW checkpoint, people who were waiting in line when I went through were still waiting to dump their items on the x-ray.
Somebody, please tell me how the MMW is faster than WTMD???
#3583
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Programs: Southwest Rapid Rewards. Tha... that's about it.
Posts: 4,332
I may be off-base on this, however. Can someone enlighten me a bit?
#3584
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Nashville, TN
Programs: WN Nothing and spending the half million points from too many flights, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 8,043
I was under the impression that most American airports are owned by local or state government agencies. BWI, for example, is owned by the Maryland Aviation Administration, an agency of the state government. I know there are lots of smaller fields that are privately owned, but I thought most, if not all, of them were the general aviation type that cater to small private planes, as opposed to the commercial airports where airlines operate.
I may be off-base on this, however. Can someone enlighten me a bit?
I may be off-base on this, however. Can someone enlighten me a bit?
The full story is here, but here is a quote that will give you an idea of the fan dance they do to keep the illusion alive:
The Airport Authority was a prototype organization in the aviation industry and continues to serve as a national model for other communities. It was an innovation in airport management that clearly focused on the complex business of running an airport system and serving the long-range economic needs of the entire community. It operates separately from local government without benefit of local tax dollars. The Authority's primary functions are to plan, construct, operate and manage a system of airports formerly owned by the city and to assure the promotion and development of commerce and industry through air transportation.