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ronkramer88 Mar 11, 2010 9:08 pm

Home Land security issue
 
Infrequent lurker, my first post.
Last week coming back fro PVR to PHX I came across a gross violation regarding plane safety. It can definitely bring a plane down.
I called the FBI and said I wanted to put my complaint in writing (because I didn't want it swept under a rug) and they gave me a web site here in Phoenix that he said several agencies who were involved with homeland security issues controlled .Five days later no response of any kind.
If I do not here anything by Monday 4/15 I want to force the issue to the forefront. Where best to do it NY Times, here, CNN, everywhere I can?

Suggestions welcome.

TSO1973 Mar 11, 2010 9:23 pm


Originally Posted by ronkramer88 (Post 13560306)
Infrequent lurker, my first post.
Last week coming back fro PVR to PHX I came across a gross violation regarding plane safety. It can definitely bring a plane down.
I called the FBI and said I wanted to put my complaint in writing (because I didn't want it swept under a rug) and they gave me a web site here in Phoenix that he said several agencies who were involved with homeland security issues controlled .Five days later no response of any kind.
If I do not here anything by Monday 4/15 I want to force the issue to the forefront. Where best to do it NY Times, here, CNN, everywhere I can?

Suggestions welcome.

Might help to have a little bit of insight as to what exactly it was that you came across.

ronkramer88 Mar 11, 2010 9:38 pm


Originally Posted by TSO1973 (Post 13560378)
Might help to have a little bit of insight as to what exactly it was that you came across.


Not yet, but would cause a large fire difficult to put out and depending on where it is ignited really problematic.

NoClu Mar 11, 2010 10:01 pm


Originally Posted by ronkramer88 (Post 13560306)
Infrequent lurker, my first post.
Last week coming back fro PVR to PHX I came across a gross violation regarding plane safety. It can definitely bring a plane down.
I called the FBI and said I wanted to put my complaint in writing (because I didn't want it swept under a rug) and they gave me a web site here in Phoenix that he said several agencies who were involved with homeland security issues controlled .Five days later no response of any kind.
If I do not here anything by Monday 4/15 I want to force the issue to the forefront. Where best to do it NY Times, here, CNN, everywhere I can?

Suggestions welcome.

Welcome to FlyherTalk.

A) if it is a real "gross violation" that will continue, tell the media. It seems that the powers that be won't act unless there is some exposure.
B) "Large fire, difficult to put out" so what. If A is true, it needs to be delt with.
C) if it is stupid behavior by those charged with protecting travel safety...exposure is good for them. If embarassing, all the better, it may help them get better at what they are supposed to be doing.
or..
D) Absolutely say nothing, it may make air travel more of a pain in the A$$.

QUERY Mar 11, 2010 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by ronkramer88 (Post 13560306)
"Infrequent lurker, my first post.
Last week coming back fro PVR to PHX I came across a gross violation regarding plane safety. It can definitely bring a plane down.
I called the FBI and said I wanted to put my complaint in writing (because I didn't want it swept under a rug) and they gave me a web site here in Phoenix that he said several agencies who were involved with homeland security issues controlled .Five days later no response of any kind.
If I do not here anything by Monday 4/15 I want to force the issue to the forefront. Where best to do it NY Times, here, CNN, everywhere I can?

Suggestions welcome."

You answered it yourself, everywhere you can, and make it in writing and keep copies. To the above 2 I would add the NTSB, FAA, GAO, and maybe even a local TV station affiliate. If the latter deems it newsworthy, it might even be bumped up to the parent like NBC, CBS, or ABC. Even if you get no response, at least you can say that you tried and will have the evidence. Send each by certified mail, return receipt requested, so you have confirmation that it was rec'd at each place you sent the written warning to.

Scubatooth Mar 11, 2010 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by ronkramer88 (Post 13560449)
Not yet, but would cause a large fire difficult to put out and depending on where it is ignited really problematic.

Then if your not going to say anything then whats the point of this thread

ronkramer88 Mar 11, 2010 10:40 pm


Originally Posted by Scubatooth (Post 13560593)
Then if your not going to say anything then whats the point of this thread

The initial note indicated it. If I get a response AND LIKE IT I'll wait to see what is enacted. If not I will get the message out everywhere I can. The remedy to the situation is easy but what now exists is very scary.

MikeFly Mar 11, 2010 11:21 pm

To the OP,

If you can't tell us yet what the situation was that you observed; can you answer if you are the type of person who agrees with the people on local newscasts when they say "I'll do anything if it makes me feel safer"?

ronkramer88 Mar 12, 2010 12:32 am


Originally Posted by MikeFly (Post 13560831)
To the OP,

If you can't tell us yet what the situation was that you observed; can you answer if you are the type of person who agrees with the people on local newscasts when they say "I'll do anything if it makes me feel safer"?

Not really! Some would say that I'm very aware of potential happenstances that can happen around me. I actually check directions of fire escape exits when I check into a hotel. I've been in two hotel fires, one employee arson.

Also, in a previous life I sold wares to contain retail employee theft. You had to study and know the bad guys methods.

Silver Fox Mar 12, 2010 12:59 am


Originally Posted by ronkramer88 (Post 13561032)
Not really! Some would say that I'm very aware of potential happenstances that can happen around me. I actually check directions of fire escape exits when I check into a hotel. I've been in two hotel fires, one employee arson.

Also, in a previous life I sold wares to contain retail employee theft. You had to study and know the bad guys methods.

It's you ! Stop flying or at least let us all know when you are flying and we can avoid you like the plague ! Your real name isn't Jonah is it?

ronkramer88 Mar 12, 2010 1:39 am


Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 13561097)
It's you ! Stop flying or at least let us all know when you are flying and we can avoid you like the plague ! Your real name isn't Jonah is it?

Gee is this Newbee welcome here?
I'm active on three BB's where it seems the same happens there. Two of them have many members who are very active here and recommend the information as top notch.

I didn't ask for your opinion on my worthiness nor am I interested in hearing it.

Firebug4 Mar 12, 2010 2:44 am


Originally Posted by ronkramer88 (Post 13561204)
Gee is this Newbee welcome here?
I'm active on three BB's where it seems the same happens there. Two of them have many members who are very active here and recommend the information as top notch.

I didn't ask for your opinion on my worthiness nor am I interested in hearing it.

I think it was a joke.:)

FB

Air Koryo Mar 12, 2010 10:59 am

OP, you have got to be joking. Whatever you saw was just a standard inconsistency in security theatre multiplied by the belief that you 'must remain vigilant and report anything suspicious'. Your non-willingness to share, establishment of arbitrary deadlines, FBI notification and so on confirm that you have nothing.

Much ado about nothing.

ND Sol Mar 12, 2010 11:06 am

Ronkramer88, did you do a search on this forum to see if the issue you are concerned with has been addressed previously?

jbcarioca Mar 12, 2010 11:18 am

Maybe this guy should join with the other one who was bent out of shape by some pax using his GPS in flight. I'm still curious why he won't tell us what happened. I thought the point here was to discuss facts.


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