Another drunk passenger, another dispatch of fighter jets
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Suspect that an incident like that would pretty much put an end to most commercial aviation (non cargo). The political fallout from an incident like that would have people being led away in handcuffs especially since many folks don't know that the Posse Comitatus Act was repealed.
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Look at all the money we saved by not sending F-15s at $30,000/hour this time!
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The sensitive controls such as ailerons are towards the wing tips. Flaps, which generally tend to be nearer the center of the a/c aren't necessary for basic flight control. The a/c should be able to survive and engine being blown off (or rather, peel away as a result of being blown off) but definitely not two.
FWIW, the DHL A300 that was hit by a SAM at Baghdad in 2003, according to wikipedia, managed to land despite total loss of hydraulic flight controls, not too different to UA 232 (DC-10) at SUX. Evidently, it survived this:
FWIW, the DHL A300 that was hit by a SAM at Baghdad in 2003, according to wikipedia, managed to land despite total loss of hydraulic flight controls, not too different to UA 232 (DC-10) at SUX. Evidently, it survived this:
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The sensitive controls such as ailerons are towards the wing tips. Flaps, which generally tend to be nearer the center of the a/c aren't necessary for basic flight control. The a/c should be able to survive and engine being blown off (or rather, peel away as a result of being blown off)...
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@AngryMiller
I must confess not knowing a lot about the KE7 flight shot above the USSR airspace, but I seem to remember airlines still decided to fly over the Russian airspace after that, so I guess you're overly optimistic (I'd love to be, as well) by predicting it would be a hard blow to the air travel industry.
I must confess not knowing a lot about the KE7 flight shot above the USSR airspace, but I seem to remember airlines still decided to fly over the Russian airspace after that, so I guess you're overly optimistic (I'd love to be, as well) by predicting it would be a hard blow to the air travel industry.
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I seem to recall that the military aircraft eventually dispatched on 9/11 had no armaments fittes (or if they did, no facility to activate them.)
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@AngryMiller
I must confess not knowing a lot about the KE7 flight shot above the USSR airspace, but I seem to remember airlines still decided to fly over the Russian airspace after that, so I guess you're overly optimistic (I'd love to be, as well) by predicting it would be a hard blow to the air travel industry.
I must confess not knowing a lot about the KE7 flight shot above the USSR airspace, but I seem to remember airlines still decided to fly over the Russian airspace after that, so I guess you're overly optimistic (I'd love to be, as well) by predicting it would be a hard blow to the air travel industry.
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IIRC, one of the pilots after UA93 was said to have considered ramming the a/c as the plane was unarmed. Moot point as the a/c was crashed before interception.
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@AngryMiller
I must confess not knowing a lot about the KE7 flight shot above the USSR airspace, but I seem to remember airlines still decided to fly over the Russian airspace after that, so I guess you're overly optimistic (I'd love to be, as well) by predicting it would be a hard blow to the air travel industry.
I must confess not knowing a lot about the KE7 flight shot above the USSR airspace, but I seem to remember airlines still decided to fly over the Russian airspace after that, so I guess you're overly optimistic (I'd love to be, as well) by predicting it would be a hard blow to the air travel industry.

