Permitted / Prohibited Items -- Latest "Definition"
Oct 7, 2009 | 6:11 pm
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Permitted / Prohibited Items -- Latest "Definition"
--- Original Message ---
From: jmd001
Received: 10/7/09 1:15:30 PM EDT
To: "TSA Contact Center" <[email protected]>
Subject: Carry-On Items: Corkscrews
I have experienced inconsistency in screeners' view of corkscrews as carry-on items. Are they a permitted or a prohibited item?
Either way, I believe this common item should be explicitly added to list shown on
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...ted-items.shtm
Thank you.
To: jmd001
Subject: Re: Carry-On Items: Corkscrews <<#385866-499015#>>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:20:00 -0400
Thank you for your e-mail.
The Transportation Security Administration's current security screening procedures require all carry-on luggage and accessible property be screened before passengers take them onboard an aircraft. Regardless of whether an item is on the prohibited or permitted items list, the Transportation Security Officers (TSO's) have discretion to prohibit an individual from carrying an item through the screening checkpoint or onboard an aircraft if the item poses a security threat.
Therefore, TSA security screening personnel make the final decision on whether to permit items like this into the sterile area of the airport.
Please visit our website at www.tsa.gov for additional information about TSA. We continue to add new information and encourage you to check the website frequently for updated information.
We hope this information is helpful.
TSA Contact Center
No, the information was NOT helpful at all ... other than to confirm that TSA believes it has the right to make up its own rules ... on the spot and as it sees fit!!! Grrrrrrrr....
From: jmd001
Received: 10/7/09 1:15:30 PM EDT
To: "TSA Contact Center" <[email protected]>
Subject: Carry-On Items: Corkscrews
I have experienced inconsistency in screeners' view of corkscrews as carry-on items. Are they a permitted or a prohibited item?
Either way, I believe this common item should be explicitly added to list shown on
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...ted-items.shtm
Thank you.
=============== (Emphasis added by yours truly) ======================
To: jmd001
Subject: Re: Carry-On Items: Corkscrews <<#385866-499015#>>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:20:00 -0400
Thank you for your e-mail.
The Transportation Security Administration's current security screening procedures require all carry-on luggage and accessible property be screened before passengers take them onboard an aircraft. Regardless of whether an item is on the prohibited or permitted items list, the Transportation Security Officers (TSO's) have discretion to prohibit an individual from carrying an item through the screening checkpoint or onboard an aircraft if the item poses a security threat.
Therefore, TSA security screening personnel make the final decision on whether to permit items like this into the sterile area of the airport.
Please visit our website at www.tsa.gov for additional information about TSA. We continue to add new information and encourage you to check the website frequently for updated information.
We hope this information is helpful.
TSA Contact Center
=====================================
No, the information was NOT helpful at all ... other than to confirm that TSA believes it has the right to make up its own rules ... on the spot and as it sees fit!!! Grrrrrrrr....
Oct 7, 2009 | 6:22 pm
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The bolded text you quoted has appeared in TSA literature for some time now ...
So, technically, this isn't a change to TSA policy. TSA's policy has always been that any item in your possession might be declared "dangerous", at any time, by any TSO, for any reason.
[insert usual rants about "consistency" and "knowing the rules" here]
The prohibited items list is not intended to be all-inclusive and is updated as necessary. To ensure traveler’s security, transportation security officers (TSOs) may determine that an item not on the prohibited items chart is prohibited. In addition, the TSO may also determine that an item on the permitted chart is dangerous and therefore may not be brought through the security checkpoint.
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[insert usual rants about "consistency" and "knowing the rules" here]
Oct 8, 2009 | 3:39 am
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--- Original Message ---
From: jmd001
Received: 10/7/09 1:15:30 PM EDT
To: "TSA Contact Center" <[email protected]>
Subject: Carry-On Items: Corkscrews
I have experienced inconsistency in screeners' view of corkscrews as carry-on items. Are they a permitted or a prohibited item?
Either way, I believe this common item should be explicitly added to list shown on
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...ted-items.shtm
Thank you.
To: jmd001
Subject: Re: Carry-On Items: Corkscrews <<#385866-499015#>>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:20:00 -0400
Thank you for your e-mail.
The Transportation Security Administration's current security screening procedures require all carry-on luggage and accessible property be screened before passengers take them onboard an aircraft. Regardless of whether an item is on the prohibited or permitted items list, the Transportation Security Officers (TSO's) have discretion to prohibit an individual from carrying an item through the screening checkpoint or onboard an aircraft if the item poses a security threat.
Therefore, TSA security screening personnel make the final decision on whether to permit items like this into the sterile area of the airport.
Please visit our website at www.tsa.gov for additional information about TSA. We continue to add new information and encourage you to check the website frequently for updated information.
We hope this information is helpful.
TSA Contact Center
No, the information was NOT helpful at all ... other than to confirm that TSA believes it has the right to make up its own rules ... on the spot and as it sees fit!!! Grrrrrrrr....
From: jmd001
Received: 10/7/09 1:15:30 PM EDT
To: "TSA Contact Center" <[email protected]>
Subject: Carry-On Items: Corkscrews
I have experienced inconsistency in screeners' view of corkscrews as carry-on items. Are they a permitted or a prohibited item?
Either way, I believe this common item should be explicitly added to list shown on
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...ted-items.shtm
Thank you.
=============== (Emphasis added by yours truly) ======================
To: jmd001
Subject: Re: Carry-On Items: Corkscrews <<#385866-499015#>>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:20:00 -0400
Thank you for your e-mail.
The Transportation Security Administration's current security screening procedures require all carry-on luggage and accessible property be screened before passengers take them onboard an aircraft. Regardless of whether an item is on the prohibited or permitted items list, the Transportation Security Officers (TSO's) have discretion to prohibit an individual from carrying an item through the screening checkpoint or onboard an aircraft if the item poses a security threat.
Therefore, TSA security screening personnel make the final decision on whether to permit items like this into the sterile area of the airport.
Please visit our website at www.tsa.gov for additional information about TSA. We continue to add new information and encourage you to check the website frequently for updated information.
We hope this information is helpful.
TSA Contact Center
=====================================
No, the information was NOT helpful at all ... other than to confirm that TSA believes it has the right to make up its own rules ... on the spot and as it sees fit!!! Grrrrrrrr....
If the answer to the above hypothetical questions is no, then its intent must somehow be related to the person who possess it. Clearly then, not to undertake a complete security screening of the individual, or to enlist the aid of a LEO, is an egregious failure on the part of the TSO and system to live up to their charge, to protect individuals from terrorist threats.
Oct 9, 2009 | 3:48 am
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I got the EXACT same response from TSA when I questioned why some items were removed from my checked luggage by a TSO. I asked for the regulatory citation that stated that my items could not be included in checked luggage. I'd at least like to know why TSA thinks these items could be a threat. Mayby they are a threat to me and I shouldn't even own them and they should not be sold in the US.
This response is final proof to me that the entire TSA operates under arbitrary and capricious rules.
Frankly, I am pretty ticked off and I am going to do what every blue-blooded patriotic American does in a situation like this. I'm gonna get me a lawyer. This is America - home of the brave and the litigious!
This response is final proof to me that the entire TSA operates under arbitrary and capricious rules.
Frankly, I am pretty ticked off and I am going to do what every blue-blooded patriotic American does in a situation like this. I'm gonna get me a lawyer. This is America - home of the brave and the litigious!
Oct 9, 2009 | 4:21 am
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Good for you. I am serious. There are only two things that make people react anymore...public shaming and taking money away from them. "Doing the right thing" is lost on most people and the need for profit and power makes sure it stays that way.
I hate frivolous lawsuits as much as the next guy and they are the case of lots of legit cases not getting heard. They are also the reason people mock lawusits all the time.
However there ARE times it is legit and the only thing that will get something done. Otherwise the offenders just ignore you or tell you to get bent.
I hate frivolous lawsuits as much as the next guy and they are the case of lots of legit cases not getting heard. They are also the reason people mock lawusits all the time.
However there ARE times it is legit and the only thing that will get something done. Otherwise the offenders just ignore you or tell you to get bent.