New MPC club points chart effective 8 Dec 17 for CXKA
Nov 12, 2017, 6:15 pm
#91
Join Date: Apr 2017
Programs: Marco Polo Club, KF
Posts: 208
Regional Product
The worst thing about Cathay is not their superior hard product, is that for regional routes they can screw you over. I always buy regional fares based on aircraft (if I can), but I've found out the amount of homework done is irrelevant, they can switch craft on you any second and you found out you're on one of those grandmother 777s.
Nov 12, 2017, 11:08 pm
#92
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,421
any flight more than 5 hours on CX get long haul config....
no need for CX to match them
especially when their long haul cabins are inferior to CX is Y,PEY and J
Nov 13, 2017, 5:41 am
#93
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SYD | HGH
Programs: CX DM, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton DM, Marriott Plat
Posts: 2,121
I was able to use the ones I earned this year for my partner and me to CMB over Easter, which resulted in a real value of over USD4k. If I continued to earn them, I could use them when I travel to India and DXB. All these routes allow for Y->J (lie flat) upgrades.
I will see how lucky I get with DM op-ups this year and see if my comparison view on the value of GO upgrades changes.
I will see how lucky I get with DM op-ups this year and see if my comparison view on the value of GO upgrades changes.
Assuming a typical DM would fly at least 30 sectors with CX, 10% more op-up ratio will give you 3 op ups, normally one class up, not to mention it could certainly be a long haul flight op-up.
Then you will also be taking OW partner flights, F lounge is certainly better than J lounge in most major airports..
Nov 13, 2017, 7:43 am
#94
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: MNL, GRQ, NYC
Programs: LH SEN; CX DM; DL PM; Hyatt GL
Posts: 156
Odd...
I get the local competition for regional routes argument, valid for HK.
Looking at my case, for Manila there's a dozen or more choices for work trips to Europe and US in business class, which don't get an increase from CX... but now I get more points for my personal regional trips in Y/PY?!
Or does CX want me to switch all regional and long-haul travel from J to Y/PY?
Certainly doesn't entice me to argue with the travel department why I need that particular CX flight despite it being pricier than say TG, NH, SQ, not even to speak of the middle eastern airlines.
I get the local competition for regional routes argument, valid for HK.
Looking at my case, for Manila there's a dozen or more choices for work trips to Europe and US in business class, which don't get an increase from CX... but now I get more points for my personal regional trips in Y/PY?!
Or does CX want me to switch all regional and long-haul travel from J to Y/PY?
Certainly doesn't entice me to argue with the travel department why I need that particular CX flight despite it being pricier than say TG, NH, SQ, not even to speak of the middle eastern airlines.
Nov 16, 2017, 11:10 am
#95
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 131
yes please go fly SQ, who send their regional cabins on 8 HOUR MISSIONS
and please stick with EK, whose stellar new 777 long haul business cabin is 2-3-2 configuration!
The average CX flight has a superior hard product to any of these airlines , yet you chose them.
SQ still has 777;s without power sockets!!
CX has not screwed you over, its EK's and SQ's trashy bling and gold trim...
and please stick with EK, whose stellar new 777 long haul business cabin is 2-3-2 configuration!
The average CX flight has a superior hard product to any of these airlines , yet you chose them.
SQ still has 777;s without power sockets!!
CX has not screwed you over, its EK's and SQ's trashy bling and gold trim...
CX regional route without confirmed aircraft just sucks.
At least SQ won't change 777 or 380 in HKG-SIN few hours before departure, at least you get FLAT-BED J seat on ALL SQ aircraft, at least SQ's soft products are way better than CX's.
I mainly fly SEA route and I want to throw CX away everytime they change my LH J products to a PEY seat.
Dec 11, 2017, 3:59 am
#96
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,953
Hmm...if we purchase and fly on an S/N/Q fare now, but retroactively claim for the flight only after 08.Dec, I wonder if we will get the higher Club Points. 
After all, crediting to the MPC program has always been based on credit date instead of actual flight date.
After all, crediting to the MPC program has always been based on credit date instead of actual flight date.
The flights were TPE-HKG and HKG-PVG, both in Business Class (subclass: I), and flown in Oct.2017. I submitted the retroactive claim on 09.Dec, and the results were that 15 and 25 CP, respectively, were credited. This is the same CP under the old scheme, and the flights did not credit at the higher 20 and 30 CP, respectively. Hmmm...I guess CX IT is smarter than I thought.
Mar 27, 2018, 12:29 am
#98
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: CX Green, QF Platinum, BAEC Silver, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 10,780
This post was made that discusses rumoured changes to the BA Executive Club:
https://www.headforpoints.com/2018/0...xecutive-club/
It articulates very well some of the points made in this thread, and some of the mistakes CX has already made.
A lot of the profitable CX business is built on corporate travel. And of course, you should reward that. But the new program ignored that you should also drive revenue at the lower end, and now the incremental revenue horse has bolted.
We know this has happened as well for CX. People have left the CX program. If they still fly CX, they might be crediting to other programs which erodes CX's margin.
https://www.headforpoints.com/2018/0...xecutive-club/
It articulates very well some of the points made in this thread, and some of the mistakes CX has already made.
The point of ANY loyalty scheme should be to encourage INCREMENTAL business. It is NOT about over-rewarding those who spend the most and ignoring the rest. This is especially true in aviation where your top customers are NOT actually your customers, as the tickets are bought by their investment bank employers.
When I was in banking we had a BA deal which meant I had to use them if possible. You could give me zero Avios or 1 million Avios per flight, it made no difference. The percentage of travellers on fully flexible Club World tickets who have no control over who they fly with due to corporate deals is very high – so why over-reward these people?
When I was in banking we had a BA deal which meant I had to use them if possible. You could give me zero Avios or 1 million Avios per flight, it made no difference. The percentage of travellers on fully flexible Club World tickets who have no control over who they fly with due to corporate deals is very high – so why over-reward these people?
And anyway the opportunities for status arbitrage are many. If BA put status out of reach due to a spending threshold or other changes, you can simply start crediting BA flights to American, Finnair or any other oneworld airline. That costs BA real money.
Aug 8, 2018, 8:54 pm
#99
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF Gold
Posts: 980
To resurrect an old thread:
I am utterly confused: Am trying to book SIN-HKG-TAO rtn on the CX website, and in the "Select your fare" section, Economy Standard and Economy Flex are both shown as earning 30 CP (Which could only possibly refer to one half of the trip, so that is misleading already). When I select some flights, the total CP tally (As shown at the bottom of the page) increases to 60. However, on the CX website, on the "earning club points" sub-page and specifically in the club points earning grid, the short distance zone of 751-2,750miles zone is shown to yield 15 CP in fare buckets in M/L/V and 20 CP in Y/B/H/K.
So my question is: Should "Economy Flex" not book into "Y/B/H/K" and therefore yield 20 CP per sector, i.e. a total of 80 CP for the whole trip?
I am utterly confused: Am trying to book SIN-HKG-TAO rtn on the CX website, and in the "Select your fare" section, Economy Standard and Economy Flex are both shown as earning 30 CP (Which could only possibly refer to one half of the trip, so that is misleading already). When I select some flights, the total CP tally (As shown at the bottom of the page) increases to 60. However, on the CX website, on the "earning club points" sub-page and specifically in the club points earning grid, the short distance zone of 751-2,750miles zone is shown to yield 15 CP in fare buckets in M/L/V and 20 CP in Y/B/H/K.
So my question is: Should "Economy Flex" not book into "Y/B/H/K" and therefore yield 20 CP per sector, i.e. a total of 80 CP for the whole trip?
Aug 26, 2018, 10:17 pm
#101
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Taipei
Programs: Asiamiles, OZ Gold, Hilton Gold, SPG/Marriott Gold
Posts: 116
It's been two years since I last stepped on a CX flight, and I still have MPC Green status.
Guess they don't enforce the 20 status point requirement just like the old MPC system.
Guess they don't enforce the 20 status point requirement just like the old MPC system.