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number_6 Jan 7, 2009 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 11002837)
QF new suite is the future, not really the seat that you are likely to experience in flying with them today....

3 A380s flying today, 12 by year end 2009; so about 5% chance today and 20% chance soon. However QF is being smart in deploying the A380 on key routes with a predictable schedule, so if you want to fly the A380 your chances go up to 99% as long as you go to LAX or LHR. Much less EQV than some other airlines.


Originally Posted by frankyguy (Post 11006929)
If I had a gripe about too much noise eminating from the forward galley I would say to the crew "Excuse me, but there's too much noise and I can't sleep - could you please keep it down?". I've done it once before when travelling FCL on a CX A340 and the crew were mortified that I had to make the request. While there's no excuse for the disregard of FCL passenger comfort, if the crew don't know there's a problem then how can they rectify it?

Excellent point. I've had to do this once (in 10 years and hundreds of flights). Very effective. And no need to complain afterwards on the ground (or FT).

yiu Jan 8, 2009 6:42 am

Hi, what does EQV stand for?
Thanks!

hemz88 Jan 8, 2009 8:02 am


Originally Posted by paisan96 (Post 10958913)
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Flying in First Class on the 77A is truly an unbearable experience. Avoid this aircraft if possible.

I think you should sit in economy - might make you a little grateful

number_6 Jan 8, 2009 9:15 am


Originally Posted by yiu (Post 11034279)
Hi, what does EQV stand for?
Thanks!

Equipment Vary. Sometimes this means set plane types for different days of the week, more often it means plane is assigned shortly before flight time from a pool and is unpredictable. The airline schedule shows EQV instead of B747 etc.

AA2MM Jan 8, 2009 10:42 am


Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 11030782)
3 A380s flying today, 12 by year end 2009; so about 5% chance today and 20% chance soon. However QF is being smart in deploying the A380 on key routes with a predictable schedule, so if you want to fly the A380 your chances go up to 99% as long as you go to LAX or LHR. Much less EQV than some other airlines.

Excellent point. I've had to do this once (in 10 years and hundreds of flights). Very effective. And no need to complain afterwards on the ground (or FT).


We did it twice on 2 different flights already. Do we have to do this on every flight ???

AA2MM Jan 8, 2009 10:54 am


Originally Posted by hemz88 (Post 11034699)
I think you should sit in economy - might make you a little grateful

Posts like yours do not help any. Why don't you learn to be respectful of others' onions. How about I tell you here : " Go save over $US10K; go buy a FC ticket on CX and run into the same noise problems on the 77A on CX...and see how you would feel ! ". Your reaction to this minor problem might even be stronger.
You don't like the tone or the content of his post, skip over it, go onto the next. Why preach down at your fellow FTers here ?
How long have I posted on this board ? and this is only the 2nd time I have to post in this tone and in this manner.
Sorry to the rest of you great folks fellow FTers out there.

Dr. HFH Jan 8, 2009 11:25 am


Originally Posted by hemz88 (Post 11034699)
I think you should sit in economy - might make you a little grateful


Originally Posted by AA2MM (Post 11035933)
Posts like yours do not help any. Why don't you learn to be respectful of others' onions. How about I tell you here: "Go save over $US10K; go buy a FC ticket on CX and run into the same noise problems on the 77A on CX...and see how you would feel!" Your reaction to this minor problem might even be stronger.
You don't like the tone or the content of his post, skip over it, go onto the next. Why preach down at your fellow FTers here?
How long have I posted on this board ? and this is only the 2nd time I have to post in this tone and in this manner.
Sorry to the rest of you great folks fellow FTers out there.

Well, now, just a minute, AA2MM. I'm as much of a free speech advocate as you appear to be. Why don't you learn to be respectful of others' onions. (I presume that you meant to type "opinions," yes?) Doesn't hemz88 have as much right to speak badly, even scornfully, of paisan96's opinion as you do regarding hemz88's?

Seems to me that paisan96 expressed a strong opinion about the 77A, I gather that it has something to do with the unpleasantness of the noise level. (I'm sure that I'll have my own opinion at the end of this month after I take the 77A in F from HKG to JFK.) You then expressed a strong opinion about his opinion. No one called anyone else unpleasant names, or said anything negative about anyone's mother. At some base level, isn't one of the primary purposes of FT the free exchange of ideas and opinions about air travel?

Guava Jan 8, 2009 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 11036174)
Well, now, just a minute, AA2MM. I'm as much of a free speech advocate as you appear to be. Why don't you learn to be respectful of others' onions. (I presume that you meant to type "opinions," yes?) Doesn't hemz88 have as much right to speak badly, even scornfully, of paisan96's opinion as you do regarding hemz88's?

There is no free speech on FT and no comment on another poster allowed, which is waht hemz88 did.

hemz88 Jan 8, 2009 4:11 pm


Originally Posted by AA2MM (Post 11035933)
Posts like yours do not help any. Why don't you learn to be respectful of others' onions. How about I tell you here : " Go save over $US10K; go buy a FC ticket on CX and run into the same noise problems on the 77A on CX...and see how you would feel ! ". Your reaction to this minor problem might even be stronger.

don't you think this sounds a bit hypocritical? you don't sound too respectful yourself.


You don't like the tone or the content of his post, skip over it, go onto the next.
not exactly what you did eh?


Why preach down at your fellow FTers here ?
not exactly preaching dude - it's an OPINION!! I highly doubt traveling F on CX or any airline for that matter would classify as an unbearable experience.


How long have I posted on this board ? and this is only the 2nd time I have to post in this tone and in this manner.
How is this relevant? and of course BRAVO to this being just your "2nd time" - get those 'onions' out there

Dr. HFH Jan 15, 2009 12:51 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 11036174)
Seems to me that paisan96 expressed a strong opinion about the 77A, I gather that it has something to do with the unpleasantness of the noise level. (I'm sure that I'll have my own opinion at the end of this month after I take the 77A in F from HKG to JFK.)

Update: In the last few days, I have flown front cabin in a 777 (AA LAX-LHR, I think that it's a regular 772), a couple of 744s (BA LHR-CPT-LHR) and a 74A (CX LHR-HKG). There is no question that the 744s are much quieter than the 777. This is only an interim report because I haven't included the CX 77A. I will be flying that in a couple of weeks, HKG-JFK and will update again.

nkhk Jan 15, 2009 2:20 am

I would be happy to give the OP my lovely and comfortable Y seat in exchange for their noisy unbearable F seat - I won't even charge them :) Not a single onion, in fact.

brunos Jan 15, 2009 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by hemz88 (Post 11034699)
I think you should sit in economy - might make you a little grateful

Your post is simply a personal snipe at paisan96, and I also find it very unpleasant. Paisan expressed his opinion of his CX 77A experience based on facts, and he concluded with a pinch of salty humour. Yours is just a personal attack which does not have his place in such a forum IMO.

Dr. HFH Jan 28, 2009 1:20 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 11079357)
Update: In the last few days, I have flown front cabin in a 777 (AA LAX-LHR, I think that it's a regular 772), a couple of 744s (BA LHR-CPT-LHR) and a 74A (CX LHR-HKG). There is no question that the 744s are much quieter than the 777. This is only an interim report because I haven't included the CX 77A. I will be flying that in a couple of weeks, HKG-JFK and will update again.

OK, I'm back from yet another AONE4. Over the past couple of weeks, I had occasion to fly two CX long hauls, LHR-HKG on the 74A, and HKG-JFK in the 77A.

Let me start by saying this up front, so I only have to say it once. Everything I write here is IMO. YMMV.

As I said in my earlier post, there is no question that the 74A is noticeably quieter than the 77A. I have no idea why, but it is. There is also no question that I prefer the 74A. Because there is no walk-through traffic in F, it's simply impossibly to duplicate the feeling of privacy one gets here. The F cabin feels much more like a room than a plane. You also have that nice countertop and magazine rack in front of 4D, which does not exist in any form on the 77A. The countertop is used by the FAs for multiple purposes, -- spread of newspapers on boarding, then display of wines during early flight, followed by chocolates and water later in flight. There's also a pretty good magazine selection underneath. There were no magazines on my 77A flight, the only rack being the individual one in each suite. In mine and the one behind, the racks were empty.

I find that the suites, themselves, are identical. The video screen movement limitations in seats 1A and 1K on the 74A do not exist on the 77A. As far as I can tell, the interior of each suite on the 77A is identical.

On the 77A, I find the seats on the left side much more private than those on the right. Seats 1D and 2D open to the right aisle, thus facing 1K and 2K. On the left aisle, 1A and 2A have privacy, as the D seats have a wall on the left side, with the opening on the right.

The 74A has it all over the 77A for lavatories. 77A has two for the F cabin, both at the front. The one on the left (the outside wall) is the slightly larger of the two, and is, perhaps, 2/3 the size of the ones on the 74A. Definitely larger than a standard airplane lav, but not up to the excellence of the 74A. The one opposite it is an interior lav, and is even smaller, only marginally larger than the standard airplane lav. This was a big disappointment. The generous size of lavs on the 74A makes it much easier to change into one's sleep suit, plenty of room to move around. I'm not sure what the layout problem on the 77A was, but this should have been done better.

There have been some comments about noise from the galley. On my flight, all three seats in row 1 were occupied, as well as 2D. 2A and 2K were empty, for 4/6. I sat in 1A. I noticed absolutely no noise from the galley. The divider curtain, which the FAs religiously kept closed tight, seemed to be made of a fairly heavy material, and I'm sure that this helped. Perhaps I had a more considerate crew than other posters, but, as I said, no noise. In fact, the only impediment to sleep was the customary temperature problem. I did get about five hours of sleep, which was fine.

FA service was excellent on both flights, not a negative comment to make, -- pretty much perfect service. Glass kept filled without asking (which resulted in my drinking far too much Krug far too early in the long HKG-JFK flight). Once the FAs found out that I love caviar and Balik salmon (I once had an entire meal of it on a LAX-HKG flight when I was the only F pax), they just kept bringing me fresh plates of the stuff (three) until I said no more. No one ever hovered, but there seemed to be a FA there whenever I looked up to see if I would have to press the call button because I wanted something. My call button went unused.

Food. Here's an item which most posters seem to agree has gone downhill. I've only been flying CX for a bit over two years, and, on the long hauls, always in F. Comes to between six and eight long hauls/year. The food has been fine. OK, I don't really know that much about Asian food generally, so perhaps I'm not in a position to judge. But from a perspective of do I enjoy it? Yes, I do. It always tastes good. On other, related issues, table setup always perfect, hot food served hot, cold food served cold. While I usually eat only Chinese foods when on CX, on this last flight, I did break down and try the chocolate mousse. Then I had another. They were quite good, better than many restaurants on the ground.

So, back to the original topic? While I do prefer the 74A to the 77A, it's not really by all that much, and I would hardly say that F in the 77A is worthy of "hate." Both of my recent F experiences were actually quite nice.

RTW4 Jan 28, 2009 5:01 am

I completely agree with the above poster.. I just finished flying HKG-LAX on the 74A and although the CX service was excellent on my previous 777 flight in F, the 74A is far superior.. Although I usually choose the Western meal.. I had the chili prawns this time and it was absolutely the best inflight entree I have had in years.. Also the IFE worked like a charm.. Hopefully my experienced will be mirrored this evening when I take a LAX-HKG flight in F.. ..

tfung Jan 28, 2009 5:54 am

I recently got stuck in 4D in the 74A... Definitely far inferior to any other F seat in the cabin... So if I had a choice of 4D in the 74A or any seat in the 77A, I will probably take the 77A instead...


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