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brunos Jan 21, 2021 2:23 am

Will CX stop flying because of crew quarantine?
 
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-sector-braces

There is serious talks of systematic 14-day quarantine of all arriving crew.
If so, it is likely that CX will stop flying.
Foreign airlines are less affected as they manage that their crew do not touch HK soil. Easy for regional flights originating away. For longhauls they already, they either have two crews onboard, or make a stopover in BKK or ICN.

Under a somewhat different measure (pre-departure rapid test before boarding any flight to AMS) by the Dutch government, KLM has threatened to stop all longhaul flights:
https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgiu...-before-entry/

Reply1984 Jan 21, 2021 3:38 am

It is not news that bureaucrats of HK government do not understand how the real world works...Let's see what will happen...Of course HK government can go ahead with this plan if they would like to pour billions of money to CX and HK Airport Authority.

fakecd Jan 21, 2021 5:27 am

how many cases in hk were due to aircrew?

maybe we shud quatantine whole of hk for 21.daya

etkuo Jan 21, 2021 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by fakecd (Post 32984072)
how many cases in hk were due to aircrew?

maybe we shud quatantine whole of hk for 21.daya

Don't give them ideas! lol

JordanWalker Jan 21, 2021 3:41 pm

Isn't Tw doing something lik 5 days for crew?

mucaari Jan 21, 2021 7:27 pm

....ing idiots... Let's kill every single industry but insist on ....ing flower markets ffs

feh Jan 21, 2021 8:11 pm

dance clubs frequented by the wives & mistresses of tycoons seem to get a free pass too

theworld Jan 21, 2021 8:13 pm

Isn't this what KLM has done?

brunos Jan 21, 2021 10:52 pm


Originally Posted by JordanWalker (Post 32985577)
Isn't Tw doing something lik 5 days for crew?

This has been extended to 7 days of rather strict home quarantine, followed by a test and 7 days of a less strict protocol.

A 14-day hotel quarantine would effectively require CX to have two crews on any longhaul aircraft with immediate turnaround at the outstation. There are few pax longhaul flights left, just a handful every day.. But it would make the cargo operations impossible and freight is crucial for CX.

mucaari Jan 21, 2021 11:04 pm


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 32986174)
This has been extended to 7 days of rather strict home quarantine, followed by a test and 7 days of a less strict protocol.

A 14-day hotel quarantine would effectively require CX to have two crews on any longhaul aircraft with immediate turnaround at the outstation. There are few pax longhaul flights left, just a handful every day.. But it would make the cargo operations impossible and freight is crucial for CX.

Are there no seats at all on Cargo planes just behind the cockpit? If so, they could also fly with two crews?

brunos Jan 22, 2021 3:40 am


Originally Posted by theworld (Post 32986007)
Isn't this what KLM has done?

It is "easier" for foreign airlines to avoid setting foot in an airport.
KL and EK have a stopover in BKK. In BKK, KL board a new crew that does the BKK-HKG-BKK service.
For a while BA was getting two crews on its HKG flights, with the F section devoted to crew rest.

Similarly CX251 to LHR was immediately continuing to AMS to avoid having CX crews touch UK soil. CX is a "foreign" airline to UK.

But those "tricks" cannot be performed at home base.

I do not know about cargo flights and how long it takes to unload and load a cargo plane.
CX was hoping that HKG would be a gateway for the vaccine. A lot of its business is transit shipment through HKG.. How that can be achieved if a landing crew needs to be quarantined 14 days when it lands at home.
Hopefully the government will come up with a viable alternative.

ma930407 Jan 22, 2021 3:40 am

Can CX have their Bangkok based or Singapore based crew to do turnaround flights to HK to avoid the quarantine requirements?
Or perhaps its Oneworld partners can start more turnaround flights to HK?

mucaari Jan 22, 2021 8:10 am


Originally Posted by ma930407 (Post 32986451)
Can CX have their Bangkok based or Singapore based crew to do turnaround flights to HK to avoid the quarantine requirements?
Or perhaps its Oneworld partners can start more turnaround flights to HK?

do these bases still exist?

nivla83 Jan 22, 2021 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by mucaari (Post 32986838)
do these bases still exist?

Yes they still exist including LON base. Due to the base country’s restrictions, the moment they leave their own countries and fly back, they are bound by their own country’s quarantine, all because the govt don’t recongise these bases as part of their local airlines, thus no exemption.

Reply1984 Jan 25, 2021 4:45 am

https://news.cathaypacific.com/catha...ntine-measures

“The new measure may result in a reduction of current passenger capacity of around 60%, a reduction of current cargo capacity of around 25% and a further increase in our cash burn of approximately HK$300-$400 million per month, on top of our current HK$1.0-1.5 billion levels.”

What a group of talents in the HK government...


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