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Possible goodbye soon to low fuel surcharges from Hong Kong?

Possible goodbye soon to low fuel surcharges from Hong Kong?

Old Sep 21, 2018, 8:28 am
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Possible goodbye soon to low fuel surcharges from Hong Kong?

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CAD announces new display requirements for ticket prices at airlines' direct sales outlets and arrangements for fuel surcharges


Summary:
1) All airlines selling tickets originating from Hong Kong has to display total "must pay" price including the fuel surcharge and tax
2) All optional charges/services (e.g. baggage for LCC, paid seat selection, insurance, etc.) can only be offered on an opt-in basis
3) After 1/Nov, airlines can decide their own fuel surcharge

The (1) and (2) point is definitely a plus, yet for point (3)...
It is publicly known that award tickets departing from Hong Kong are at good bargain given the low fuel surcharge, now may no longer be the case..
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by bart simpson
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CAD announces new display requirements for ticket prices at airlines' direct sales outlets and arrangements for fuel surcharges


Summary:
1) All airlines selling tickets originating from Hong Kong has to display total "must pay" price including the fuel surcharge and tax
2) All optional charges/services (e.g. baggage for LCC, paid seat selection, insurance, etc.) can only be offered on an opt-in basis
3) After 1/Nov, airlines can decide their own fuel surcharge

The (1) and (2) point is definitely a plus, yet for point (3)...
It is publicly known that award tickets departing from Hong Kong are at good bargain given the low fuel surcharge, now may no longer be the case..
its terrible wherethey are not forced to have prices all inclusive and have a blanket ban on yq surcharges
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 8:47 am
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Presumably the "fuel surcharge" must be the same for all tickets for the same route for the same day? Otherwise, as you suggest, this could just make AsiaMiles worthless.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 9:32 am
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Originally Posted by christep
Presumably the "fuel surcharge" must be the same for all tickets for the same route for the same day? Otherwise, as you suggest, this could just make AsiaMiles worthless.
Well, they can change a HKG/PEK ticket from $3000 fare + $1000 surcharge to $1000 fare + $3000 surcharge given they aren't regulated at all. Essentially your miles help you save $1000 instead of $3000.

Take ex-LON (e.g. BA) as an example, many long-haul econ tickets are only around 100gbp whereas the remaining are all fuel/airline surcharges...
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 10:23 am
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Hong Kong airfares tipped to rise as airlines regain control over fuel surcharges
https://sc.mp/2xHNZpK

Wink til your eye cramps

Further devaluation of miles
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 10:47 am
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Ugh. Cathay finally wins in time to win.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by percysmith
Hong Kong airfares tipped to rise as airlines regain control over fuel surcharges

Someone writing an article with zero grasp of economics. The final price paid by the customer doesn't go up because fuel surcharges are allowed or not
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 6:34 pm
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Further devaluation to Asia Miles and now have to pay BA Avios scam fee ex Hong Kong too when redeeming CX/KA intra Asia flights.

Bad news all around.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 7:11 pm
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what airlines (bar yank , ex braxil, ex philli) do not charge yq.

that said, disgusting mask of free market.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 10:20 pm
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Originally Posted by ajeleonard
Someone writing an article with zero grasp of economics. The final price paid by the customer doesn't go up because fuel surcharges are allowed or not
Of course it does when we are talking about award flights. If a flight from HKG-LHR costs 120,000 miles (of whatever variety) and at the moment the additional taxes and fees costs about HKD300, but after the change it continues to cost 120,000 miles, but the additional taxes and fees increases to HKD1,800 then that is a substantial increase in the flight. I don't see any likelihood of a reduction in the miles charged, as the miles are currently the same for that flight departing LHR as they are for the flight departing HKG.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 10:47 pm
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Originally Posted by relaxonbarton
Of course it does when we are talking about award flights. If a flight from HKG-LHR costs 120,000 miles (of whatever variety) and at the moment the additional taxes and fees costs about HKD300, but after the change it continues to cost 120,000 miles, but the additional taxes and fees increases to HKD1,800 then that is a substantial increase in the flight. I don't see any likelihood of a reduction in the miles charged, as the miles are currently the same for that flight departing LHR as they are for the flight departing HKG.
You are correct. But for non redemption fares it doesn’t change the total cost which will be more driven by market.
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Old Sep 22, 2018, 12:41 am
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"I do not like, however, that the airlines can add these fuel surcharges as they wish because there is no need for these in reality. Airlines can always change the fares as they please.

The only reason behind these fuel surcharges is that they collect them on award tickets, corporate discounts dont apply for them and travel agents dont get commissions based on the YQ amount."

https://loyaltylobby.com/2018/09/21/...vember-1-2018/
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Old Sep 22, 2018, 2:21 am
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Oh well I can see CX now copying QF to charge hideous fuel surcharges on their award flights.
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Old Sep 22, 2018, 5:58 am
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If CX wanted to charge hideous YQ they couldve done so on the inbound flight right now, but they havent. Is there any reason to believe this will change?
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Old Sep 22, 2018, 9:07 am
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Originally Posted by Dave510
If CX wanted to charge hideous YQ they couldve done so on the inbound flight right now, but they havent. Is there any reason to believe this will change?
Even when CX won't impose hideous YQ, the fact is for redemption tickets we will have to pay additionally HK$300 (short-haul) or HK$1200+ (long-haul) solely for CX profit...
And at the same time, the cash fare might stay as it is, I'm more incline to spend on cash fare more than redemption
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