Densified 777 10 abreast: Reviews and Experiences
 

Yes... And the first 10-abreast is a 77G (B-KPY), now call 77K

But since no one complaint about the seat width of 359 (I tried 359 Y once in seat E but feels really narrow to me... btw my BMI is well within the "normal" range) CX considers this a green light for them to go to "slim down" the size of their seat...

BTW new seat map for 10 abreast 77G = 77K is out...

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_...g-777/300.html

CX announced an additional .3 inch in armrest space, I'm curious as to why they didn't just add that to the seat width instead?

Wow. 7mm. The thickness of an iPhone. CX being super generous.

Actually the increased armrest width will eat into your already reduced seat width. Nothing to be happy about.

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https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...l#post29635232

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ed4b9f8508.png

I asked people to treat this as an inaugural

I confess to having not read every post in this thread's 40 pages so I apologize in advance if this has already been covered -

Does anyone know of a rollout schedule for the 10 abreast 777 please? I am flying 807/806 ORD-HKG-BKK-HKG-ORD over thanksgiving. I have OWE so I got free exit seats on all sectors but as I don't do 10 abreast 777s, I may have to cancel the ticket. (That and ANA are doing a nice J promotion JFK-NRT/HND-KUL).

Thanks,

Impossible to know.

​​​​​​First, right now only the 77K is flying....this is the former 77G config, aka no F, aka not the plane that flies ORD (that's 77H, with F). So what this means is 77K is only going to appear on routes where 77G was present. (See the link at bottom to make better sense of this)

But, presumably 77H reconfigurations are coming soon, too. And that reconfigured 77H will be flying to ORD. The problem is we don't know when those planes will be coming out of the shop.

ONCE the planes come out of the shop, we don't exactly know how CX will roster them. For example, normally there is no special rotation for CX birds. Aka, if you have a 77H-specific flight you could get any bird in the 77H sub fleet. This has mattered from time to time because of refurbishments: years back an F class refresh, and recently a new IFE and very very minor F class refresh. You could not and cannot predict which flight will get the refreshed vs non refreshed birds. Basically that refreshed 77H could go to JFK, ORD, LHR, FRA, SFO, or any of the other flight numbers scheduled for 77H service. Edit later: It seems like CX won't be rostering these birds in a special manner based on G-CIVG's post below. Meaning, what I describe above in this paragraph is most likely - you won't be able to predict it as long as the reconfigs are still ongoing. So with your flight to/from ORD over Thanksgiving, you will not be able to know, period.

But, this is a little different. Given the seat count difference, maybe CX will indeed start specifically rostering it on certain routes because they can sell additional seats. But the downside to that is it will create some increased operational problems until the whole fleet is reconfigured. Unfortunately we don't know yet. Come back in a few months and we might have more clarity. (Or others might already). Thanksgiving is a while away.

In the meantime follow this sheet below of ours: we maintain it with all the CX and KA configs and update it at least once a week or more. AFAIK it's the most accurate public source of CX fleet, route, config etc info.

Cathay Pacific / Cathay Dragon Fleet, Route and Configuration Guide

I have heard (but I can't confirm with 100% certainty) that the no port will be 'pegged' with the 77J/77K configurations until the vast majority of refitting is complete.

But by no means is CX keeping the current single frame on regionals only. In fact, it's already been rostered on long haul rotations before the end of this month.

Good point. Will the selling inventory be limited to lower density until there’s enough frames to “guarantee” high density on particular routes?

I'd bet this scenario could lead to greater op-ups for the next 6-12 months as these new birds get reconfigured. I'd bet eventually, CX might start betting on the increased capacity and overselling Y a little bit more, especially to places like LAX and JFK where they have multiple frequencies of the same bird type each day. Going to be interesting.....

Some more photos of the new seats and how snug they are in the real world

https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...ing-777-cabin/

Was on B-KPY to Nagoya on April 13 - and from gathering of the above posts, seems it was the first 777-300ER refitted with 10 abreast.

Thoughts:
I was seated in Economy window seat with two companions; the seat itself is a major improvement: despite being slimmer than before, they finally got the lumbar padding right and it's the first time i've never needed to ask for a pillow to put on my lower back.

The aisles are definitely noticeable narrower, and my companion sitting on the aisle seat noticed much more people bumping into the chairs. The cabin is noticeably much more cramp.

Strangely - Premium economy was not updated to the current ones on the A350 aircraft. However, I flew the A350 on PE (new) a day before from London and was on a 777-300ER PE back from Nagoya when I came back. Would agree that the new Premium Economy seat is not an improvement beyond the IFE.

Congratulations, you are also the first reviewer on here!

The PEY seats on 77W aren't being updated, so no surprise there.

Much thanks.

I can confirm that NO sale of 10-abreast starts officially until June and that month is only regionally-configured 10-abreast. Long-haul starts in July, as per internal document.

thx

Looks like B-KPY has started on the long haul flights, LHR and YYZ in the past two days: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...ageActivityLog

B777 Ten seat configuration - latest review
 

Flew recently from KIX to TPE on CX in economy and hugely regretted not booking business. 10 seats/row arrangement is horrible. Previously I enjoyed their economy, seats were convenient and I could easily sleep. New seats do not allow to adjust yourself in any comfortable way. It reminded me flying AirAsia or Cebu Pacific, it was that bad. Gonna avoid CX as much as possible from now, unless I book business.

Reconfigured 77H --> 77A
Reconfigured 73Z --> 77P
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...g-777/300.html

From Airlineroute:

Cathay Pacific in the last few days gradually outlined planned operation with its re-configured Boeing 777-300 and -300ER, featuring 3-4-3 layout in Economy Class (instead of 3-3-3). The re-configured aircraft is gradually loaded in the reservation system as well as the OAG, starting June 2018.

Current schedule is updated until 28OCT18, and service entry date is likely to move forward.

777-300 (J42Y396)
01JUN18 – 30JUN18 (Selected flights only for following routes)
Hong Kong – Bangkok
Hong Kong – Manila
Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai
Hong Kong – Singapore
Hong Kong – Taipei Taoyuan
Hong Kong – Tokyo Narita

01JUL18 – 27OCT18
Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai CX506/507

777-300ER J40W32Y296
eff 19JUN18 Hong Kong – London Heathrow
eff 01JUL18 Hong Kong – Rome
eff 01OCT18 Hong Kong – Johannesburg

777-300ER F6J53W34Y201
eff 01AUG18 Hong Kong – Tokyo Haneda CX548/549

I had a 10-across 777 BOM-HKG about 10 days ago (in Y, obviously). Fortunately had an empty seat next to me.

But I was surprised at how small/ narrow/ feeble the arm rests were. Not enough room for my elbow. So heaven knows how someone sat in the middle with pax either side would endure a long haul (e.g. LHR, JNB, FCO) in Y

Had the pleasure of experiencing the new 10 abreast last week. The seat was very comfortable with excellent cushioning. Not sure this is due to the fact that's it's only a couple of weeks old, but at least there were no issues like the completely unprotected lower back like on the 350 Y seats. The IFE is fantastic - and you can skip ahead through the commercials using the FF button method ;).

However, and not surprisingly, you can def feel the missing 1.5 inches on the sides. Played around a bit, and it would be near impossible for me not to protrude into the neighbors space. No way to avoid rubbing elbows and arms. And I am certainly not a COS.

Had only read about 10 abreast on other airlines, but will try my hardest to avoid these in the future. If there's no other options like KA on my routes or can't fly PEY, I can honestly say I will look into other carriers.

I just had a downgrade with the family on a 777 plane, but we were handsomely rewarded (which I appreciate) so no argument from our family, it's only a 3-hour flight. It was 9-across still, and I feel very cramped with the seats. I'm just 6'1" 160 pounds fine-tuned guy, and I feel the seats are already too cramp. My wife ,who's 5'5" and 120 pounds, agrees.

I keep walking up and down the aisles to visually imagine how is it possible for them to fit one more seat into the cabin? In the future I will fight tooth-and-nails to NEVER get downgraded to 10-across. It's insane to imagine how can people rest comfortably in that arrangement, especially on cross-timezone long flights.

I was on B-KQX this past weekend (10-across in Y)...but there was no Wi-Fi. Anyone know when CX will have working Wi-Fi for 10-across 77Ws?

I was sitting in PEY on CX 829 YYZ - HKG on May 21, and thought it was strange that my IFE interface was the same I had experienced on A350's. Then when going to the restroom I noticed the Economy seats were redesigned as well, looks like I was on a refitted plane.

A few comments (again this is from a PEY perspective):
- Bathroom wait was horrible, worse than before. Almost at all times there was a line up or short wait.
- Service was noticeably slower and Flight Crew were less present throughout the flight.
- Whilst boarding did seem to take longer, we still departed on time. This could have been attributed to a few reasons however, such as the ontime boarding start due to the late night flight 0150.

To be fair, the seats did look more comfy and the bigger IFE screen seems to be a plus. On my ususal HKG-YYZ-HKG flights I've been flying J for the past 2 years, so PEY this time was occasionally a challenge. But overall it was sufficient enough to get at least 5-7 hours sleep total. Given the new 10 abreast howver, there is no way that I could ever go back to sitting in Y for 15+ hours considering how cramped it is right now.

aah all the people whining about 10 abreast Y when the same posters happily boast of giving their business to EVA and EK... hilarious

Actually I flew EK once, not knowing they did 10 abreast and swore never again. Then I discovered Cathay and fell in love with it's Y product and made it my preferred carrier UK to Australia. Now I'll be able to do 3 out of 4 sectors on the A350 unless they bring that to the LHR routes as well.

TBH this is only short term
and had HX not entered the market CX would not have bothered
once the 777-9 start rolling in the 777-300er will be shifted to midhaul shorthaul and restired
and 10 abreast on 777-9 is going to be wider...

the seats will be wider...
plus SQ will be 3-4-3 as well on the 777-9

Also some updates:
Regional B773s will not get the 12" TV. They will have the previous 9" HD TV from 77G/77H instead - something that was not officially announced.