CX/AA Codeshare

today's Apple Daily says it'll be annouced
that codeshare between CX/AA is approved
in return for an increase in 5th freedom
cargo flights from 8 weekly to 56 weekly.
5th freedom pax flights will increase by
28 flights weekly gradually over the next
3 years: 14 to Japan, 7 to New Delhi, 7 to
Bangkok and 7 to Singapore.

Yes I hope CX has better timings for flights to Singapore to compete against SQ. Right now, there is no flight between the first flight of the day at 905am (via BKK or direct) and the next at 400pm. (except weekends when there is a flight at around 1pm) Whereas SQ offers at least 2 other flights in between those times when CX does not fly!

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Can anyone elaborate on what flights this will be on ? NRT - HKG ? Or just the California / NY flights in which case there is little / no AA benefit.

U.S., Hong Kong aviation negotiators reach deal to liberalize air services
1 hour, 23 minutes ago
By DIRK BEVERIDGE, AP Business Writer

HONG KONG - U.S. and Hong Kong aviation regulators agreed early Saturday to give airlines from both sides more access to each other's markets �X including a code-share arrangement for Cathay Pacific Airways and American Airlines.



Few details were immediately available on the deal that was several years in the making, but the pact would also give U.S. airlines �X presumably those carrying passengers and cargo �X more rights to fly into Hong Kong then onto other points.


"The new agreement will further expand Hong Kong's air services network; provide new business opportunities for Hong Kong airlines and further strengthen Hong Kong's status as an aviation and logistics hub," said Stephen Ip, Hong Kong's Secretary for Economic Development and Labor, in a statement.


Cathay, Hong Kong's de facto flag carrier, has long sought to put its own flight numbers on services offered in the United States by its alliance partner American Airlines �X a practice known in the industry as code-sharing.


The two have previously cooperated more loosely, for example by allowing one another's frequent fliers to get and spend miles on both airlines as part of the global oneworld alliance with other carriers including British Airways and Australia's Qantas.


A Cathay spokeswoman, Lisa Wong, said early Saturday by telephone that the new deal will allow for the code-sharing but she was not able to immediately provide more information.


The deal will allow Cathay to sell seats on American flights into U.S. cities beyond its international gateways such as San Francisco �X services it cannot operate with its own jets and crews because of U.S. regulations.


"It's an extremely positive development for travelers between the United States and Hong Kong and Asia," said Al Becker, a spokesman for American at its headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas. A code-sharing deal with Cathay would "open the opportunity for us to introduce the American Airlines brand into the Hong Kong market," Becker said.


American does not fly to Hong Kong, but its biggest rival, United Airlines, has services between Hong Kong and the United States, as well as flights between Hong Kong and Tokyo and Singapore.


The U.S. negotiators had been seeking greater rights for U.S. carriers �X both passenger airlines and cargo companies �X to fly into Hong Kong and then onto points in other markets, posing a potentially strong competitive threat to Cathay and Hong Kong's No. 2 carrier, Dragonair.


Cathay said it was disappointed by that part of the deal, which Wong called a "clear, unbalanced exchange" that favored U.S. airlines because Washington did not give Hong Kong's airlines equal access to the U.S. market.

As the talks resumed early Friday, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Consulate General said they were going well. The two sides eventually went into overtime, wrapping up the package around dawn on Saturday, one day beyond the scheduled three days for the latest round of discussions.

"Our negotiators report they have made good progress toward achieving an agreement that will significantly enhance opportunities in the passenger and cargo areas for U.S. and Hong Kong airlines," consular spokeswoman Susan N. Stevenson said. Stevenson said early Saturday she had no details on the agreement.

My understanding is that many of CX's flights within Asia from HKG will carry AA codes, and that many AA flights from the gateways where CX enters the USA will carry CX codes. In addition I believe AA will start flying to HKG from somewhere sometime next year.

Currently CX grants miles on B, H, or Y class fares at the moment. I fly form PHX to HKG on M class fares on AA. I am wondering if they will raise the bar for the AA portion to these fare codes or allow AA code share miles from NRT � HKG on M as well.

Speculation ?


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Explain to me how 14 + 7 + 7 + 7 = 28?????



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Smile.... your mother could have placed you in an A340!

i got that from a HK newspaper before the
official agreement was made.

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CX Press Release dated 19 October 2002:

Cathay Pacific welcomes codesharing with American Airlines

"Cathay Pacific Airways welcomes the conclusion of the codeshare agreement with its oneworld partner, American Airlines made in the air services discussions between the Governments of the Hong Kong SAR and the United States, held over the past three days. This new arrangement allows enhanced commercial opportunities for Hong Kong and development of Hong Kong's aviation industry. The deal also gives Cathay Pacific passengers easier access, more choices and more convenient connections to US cities beyond Cathay Pacific's existing gateway destinations. It is good for the passengers, Cathay Pacific, American Airlines and partners in the oneworld alliance.

However, Cathay Pacific is disappointed with the outcome of the fifth freedom discussion which is a clear unbalanced exchange in favour of the US carriers. The US negotiation team has achieved major success for the US carriers. We are disappointed with the US protectionism, which denies Hong Kong carriers' equivalent commercial opportunities.

Cathay Pacific continues to support the HK SAR Government's progressive liberalisation policy in the broader interests of Hong Kong and has played a constructive role in bringing to a close to a 3-year negotiation process."

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Perhaps, those New Delhi flights are all routed via Bangkok. Flights to the Middle East, the Subcontinent and Sri Lanka all go through BKK, a minihub for CX.

Er, mostly but not entirely true - all Delhi flights are non-stop from HKG, as are some Dubai and Bahrain flights.

Thanks for the correction, christep. I sure didn't check them thoroughly.

CX is only allowed to code-share with AA to 20 US domestic cities.

Any announcement on which 20 cities? Also, does that number include LAX/SFO/JFK?

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Smile.... your mother could have placed you in an A340!

i guess the codeshare flights would be domestic AA flights to various CX gateway cities.