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percysmith Apr 24, 2025 7:53 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37045135)
(1591-1043)/2+150=424EUR, but maybe when you bought the E class ticket, it was a bit higher.

Is this an option for company-purchased tickets too? The case where e.g. employer buys ticket but has a Y-only travel policy https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...ht-flight.html ?

And further to that - does this involve the employer/employer's TA?

ernestnywang Apr 24, 2025 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 37046969)
Is this an option for company-purchased tickets too? The case where e.g. employer buys ticket but has a Y-only travel policy https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...ht-flight.html ?

And further to that - does this involve the employer/employer's TA?

As long as the ticket is changeable, it can be upgraded to a higher-class ticket. Obviously, this depends on the fare rule of the company's contracted fare with CX, but I think most CX fares allow changes with a fee. I believe CX does not waive the change fee penalty in the vast majority of cases, though.

Of course, if the TA is willing to make the change, that will be the easiest. If not, though, CX has a policy of charging 60USD extra to take over agency-issued tickets. The policy is here: https://www.cxagents.com/ta/en_HK/ne...-revised-.html

Expect some pushbacks and may need to HUACA.

percysmith Apr 24, 2025 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37047074)
I believe CX does not waive the change fee penalty in the vast majority of cases, though.

CX has a policy of charging 60USD extra to take over agency-issued tickets.

Expect some pushbacks and may need to HUACA.

These three are enough to persuade most Y-only travel policy victims. But it's not impossible, at least on CX (cf QR https://www.reddit.com/r/awardtravel/s/YGehI5I4dg )

thomas164 Apr 24, 2025 11:12 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37047074)
I believe CX does not waive the change fee penalty in the vast majority of cases, though.

I’m not sure about corporate fares, but I think CX agents on hotline are willing to waive the change fee penalty as long as you are upgrading. But it’s not default, so you have to request every time.

csycsycsy Apr 25, 2025 2:23 am


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37045135)
Pretty sure the call centre just quoted you half of the round-trip difference between E class and I class plus change fee.

Code:

FQMADPVG-CX¥BE«

MAD-SHA CXR-CX THU 24APR25 EUR
EK 0/ 0/ 3 KE 0/ 0/ 3 IB 0/ 0/ 2 BA 0/ 0/ 2 LH 0/ 0/ 7
LX 0/ 0/ 1 QR 0/ 0/ 2 AY 0/ 0/ 1 AF 0/ 0/ 5 KL 0/ 0/ 1
CA 0/ 0/ 8 JL 0/ 0/ 3 MU 1/ 0/11 CX 0/ 0/ 0
//SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
CX-CXQ/PEYESSENT - PREMIUM ECONOMY ESSENTIAL
CX MADSHA.EH 24APR25 MPM 8140
V FARE BASIS AP FARE-OW FARE-RT BK SEASON MINMAX RTG
1 ER99ESHR - 1043.00 E¥30DEC-30JUN -/ 6M EH01
EH01* /WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/ PUBLISHED RTG 5195
TRAVEL MUST BE VIA HKG
1. MAD-9B-AMS/BCN/BRU/MAD-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
2. MAD-AF-AMS/BCN/LON/MAD/MIL/PAR/ROM/ZRH-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
3. MAD-AZ/BA/CX/EN/EW/IB/LH/LX/SK/SN/VY-AMS/BCN/BRU/FRA/
LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
4. MAD-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
5. MAD-KL-AMS/BCN/BRU/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/PAR/ROM/ZRH-CX-
HKG-CX-SHA
.
RD1*16
V FARE BASIS AP FARE-OW FARE-RT BK SEASON MINMAX RTG
1 ER99ESHR - 1043.00 E¥30DEC-30JUN -/ 6M EH01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-MAD TO-SHA CXR-CX TVL-24APR25 RULE-1581 IPREUAS/4
FARE BASIS-ER99ESHR SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-ZEX RT-PREMIUM ECONOMY EXCURSION
EUR 1043.00 5195 E05MAR25 D-INFINITY FC-ER99ESHR FN-X3
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 04MAR25/1813 EXPIRES INFINITY

16.PENALTIES
CANCELLATIONS

ANY TIME
CHARGE EUR 200.00 FOR CANCEL/REFUND.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.

ANY TIME
CHARGE EUR 250.00 FOR NO-SHOW.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
1. IN THE EVENT OF NO-SHOW CHARGE BOTH
CANCELLATION FEE AND NO SHOW FEE.
2. INFANT WITHOUT SEAT - NO PENALTY FEE APPLIES.
3. WHEN THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE -
CHARGE THE HIGHEST PENALTY FEE WITHIN THE
PRICING UNIT.
4. WHEN THIS FARE IS CONSTRUCTED WITH MULTIPLE
PRICING UNITS - CHARGE THE SUM OF THE HIGHEST
PENALTY FEE FROM EACH PRICING UNIT.
5. PARTIALLY USED TICKET - FLOWN PORTION MUST BE
RE-PRICED USING ANY CX HISTORICAL -31/-41/-99 FARE
WITH THE SAME OR HIGHER BOOKING CODE AND THE NEW
FARE AMOUNT MUST BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS.
6. FOR COMPANION FARE - REFUND MUST BE PROCESSED
FOR ALL TICKETS AT THE SAME TIME.
7. THE LOCAL ADMINISTRATION/SERVICE/HANDLING FEE
MAY APPLY.

CHANGES

ANY TIME
CHARGE EUR 150.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.

ANY TIME
CHARGE EUR 250.00 FOR NO-SHOW.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
1. IN THE EVENT OF NO-SHOW CHARGE BOTH CHANGE FEE
AND NO-SHOW FEE.
2. CHANGE OF AIRPORT WITHIN SAME CITY DOES NOT
CONSTITUTE AS REROUTING.
3. CHANGE MUST BE MADE WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY.
4. PENALTY FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION PER PERSON.
5. INFANT WITHOUT SEAT - NO PENALTY FEE APPLIES.
6. WHEN THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE -
CHARGE THE HIGHEST PENALTY FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
COMPONENT PER TICKET.
7. WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER
FARE - COLLECT FARE DIFFERENCE AND PENALTY FEE
IF APPLICABLE.
8. WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE
- NO REFUND OF FARE DIFFERENCE AND COLLECT PENALTY
FEE IF APPLICABLE.
9. WHEN THE ITINERARY INVOLVES TRAVEL BY FERRY OR
BUS - TICKET MUST BE REISSUED/REVALIDATED AT
LEAST 1 DAY BEFORE FERRY OR BUS DEPARTURE IN
LOCAL TIME.
10. FOR COMPANION FARE - REISSUE/REVALIDATION
MUST BE PROCESSED FOR ALL TICKETS AT THE SAME
TIME.
11. TICKET MUST BE REVALIDATED/REISSUED BEFORE
THE TICKETED FLIGHT/DATE/TIME OR ELSE NO-SHOW
WILL APPLY.
12. THE LOCAL ADMINISTRATION/SERVICE/HANDLING FEE
MAY APPLY.
//////////// REPRICING CONDITIONS /////////////
----------------
BEFORE DEPARTURE
----------------
RE-PRICE WITH BELOW OPTIONS AS APPLICABLE AND
PROVIDE THE BEST FARE TO PASSENGER -
1. USE ANY CX CURRENT -31/-41/-99 FARE FOR RE-
PRICE AND MEASURE ADVANCE RESERVATIONS FROM
TICKET REISSUE DATE. NEW TICKET VALUE MUST BE
EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN THE PREVIOUS TICKET OR
2. IF SAME ROUTING BUT DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS -
ANY CX HISTORICAL -31/-41/-99 FARE MAY
ALSO BE USED FOR RE-PRICE AND MEASURE ADVANCE
RESERVATIONS FROM TICKET REISSUE DATE. NEW
TICKET VALUE MUST BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN
PREVIOUS TICKET OR
3. IF SAME ROUTING AND BOOKING CLASS -
ANY CX HISTORICAL -99 FARE MAY ALSO BE USED
FOR RE-PRICE AND MEASURE ADVANCE RESERVATIONS
FROM TICKET REISSUE DATE. NEW TICKET VALUE MAY
BE EQUAL/HIGHER OR LOWER THAN THE PREVIOUS
TICKET.
---------------
AFTER DEPARTURE
---------------
RE-PRICE WITH BELOW OPTIONS AS APPLICABLE AND
PROVIDE THE BEST FARE TO PASSENGER -
1. USE ANY CX HISTORICAL -31/-41/-99 FARE FOR
RE-PRICE AND NEW TICKET VALUE MUST BE EQUAL OR
HIGHER VALUE THAN THE PREVIOUS TICKET OR
2. IF SAME ROUTING AND BOOKING CLASS -
ANY CX HISTORICAL -99 FARE MAY ALSO BE USED
FOR RE-PRICE AND NEW TICKET VALUE MAY BE
EQUAL/HIGHER OR LOWER THAN THE PREVIOUS TICKET.
.FQMADPVG-CX¥BI«

MAD-SHA CXR-CX THU 24APR25 EUR
EK 0/ 0/ 3 KE 0/ 0/ 3 IB 0/ 0/ 2 BA 0/ 0/ 2 LH 0/ 0/ 7
LX 0/ 0/ 1 QR 0/ 0/ 2 AY 0/ 0/ 1 AF 0/ 0/ 5 KL 0/ 0/ 1
CA 0/ 0/ 8 JL 0/ 0/ 3 MU 1/ 0/11 CX 0/ 0/ 0
//SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
CX-CXQ/BIZLIGHT - BUSINESS LIGHT
CX MADSHA.EH 24APR25 MPM 8140
V FARE BASIS AP FARE-OW FARE-RT BK SEASON MINMAX RTG
1 IR99ESAR - 1591.00 I¥ --- 3/ 3M EH01
2 IR99ESAO - 1035.00 I¥ --- -/ - EH01
EH01* /WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/ PUBLISHED RTG 5195
TRAVEL MUST BE VIA HKG
1. MAD-9B-AMS/BCN/BRU/MAD-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
2. MAD-AF-AMS/BCN/LON/MAD/MIL/PAR/ROM/ZRH-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
3. MAD-AZ/BA/CX/EN/EW/IB/LH/LX/SK/SN/VY-AMS/BCN/BRU/FRA/
LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
4. MAD-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
5. MAD-KL-AMS/BCN/BRU/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/PAR/ROM/ZRH-CX-
HKG-CX-SHA
.


(1591-1043)/2+150=424EUR, but maybe when you bought the E class ticket, it was a bit higher.

Hi ernestnywang, thanks for looking into the fares!

So I got lucky as the both MAD-HKG and HKG-PVG had I class, and CX had recently published this lower I class fare MAD-PVG? And not lucky in the I9 sense as even if I1 the price would be the same?

Checked in at counter earlier, flight aws still I9, overheard pax to me asked about $ to upgrade to J (dunno if PE or E, assume they were status pax using J counter), and was quoted 850eur (one segment)....a bit lower than the earlier offered 1013eur ugrade bid but not much discount even though at I9.

ernestnywang Apr 25, 2025 2:47 am


Originally Posted by csycsycsy (Post 37047411)
And not lucky in the I9 sense as even if I1 the price would be the same?

Yes. When you say you were booked in E, I assume you meant E class, but if you meant Economy, I guess it matters what your underlying fare basis was. It is also possible there was a lower I class fare at the time you booked, but I class seats were not available, or perhaps the E class fare you bought was a bit higher than the current one.

csycsycsy Apr 25, 2025 2:57 am


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37047434)
Yes. When you say you were booked in E, I assume you meant E class, but if you meant Economy, I guess it matters what your underlying fare basis was. It is also possible there was a lower I class fare at the time you booked, but I class seats were not available, or perhaps the E class fare you bought was a bit higher than the current one.

You had it perfectly right, I went from ER99ESHR to IR99ESAR :)

csycsycsy May 4, 2025 10:28 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37045135)
Pretty sure the call centre just quoted you half of the round-trip difference between E class and I class plus change fee.

hi ernestnywang,

I (finally) had a proper look at the fare constructions between the new and old tickets

Old ticket
ER99ESHR was 870 (435/direction)
New ticket
same ER99ESHR is now 1043 (521/direction)
IR99ESAR is 1591 (795.direction)

The fare difference was
1/2 of the IR99ESAR (795) + 1/2 of the new-priced ER99ESHR (521) - old ER99ESHR (870) = 446
ie Upfaring the outbound to I class also forced-repriced the same E class inbound to current high price (521-435).

Is this the normal? Win some lose some etc?

Thank you!

navatwal May 25, 2025 12:35 am

Looking to book flights from ICN to HKG for 2 passengers:
  1. Can I book using Asia Miles and pay cash upsell or bid to upgrade to Business?
  2. Alternatively If I book a cash fare, is there a certain fare class to book that allows upgrades using miles and how many miles does it cost to upgrade per passenger?
  3. Is bid to upgrade only available for all cash bookings.
Any advice is appreciated. thank you,

blueboat May 25, 2025 1:25 am


Originally Posted by navatwal (Post 37106167)
Looking to book flights from ICN to HKG for 2 passengers:
  1. Can I book using Asia Miles and pay cash upsell or bid to upgrade to Business?
  2. Alternatively If I book a cash fare, is there a certain fare class to book that allows upgrades using miles and how many miles does it cost to upgrade per passenger?
  3. Is bid to upgrade only available for all cash bookings.
Any advice is appreciated. thank you,

1. No
2. only do-able on premium econ with flex
3. yes.

mnt10 Jun 11, 2025 2:15 am

Hopefully the correct forum/thread for this...
I am flying LHR-SFO next week on BA but crediting the points to CX. If there is a decent airport cash upgrade offer I might take it, but my question is: will the points/miles that are credited to CX reflect the underlying fare or the upgraded fare? Anyone have experience of doing this? Thanks!

ernestnywang Jun 13, 2025 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by csycsycsy (Post 37066860)
hi ernestnywang,

I (finally) had a proper look at the fare constructions between the new and old tickets

Old ticket
ER99ESHR was 870 (435/direction)
New ticket
same ER99ESHR is now 1043 (521/direction)
IR99ESAR is 1591 (795.direction)

The fare difference was
1/2 of the IR99ESAR (795) + 1/2 of the new-priced ER99ESHR (521) - old ER99ESHR (870) = 446
ie Upfaring the outbound to I class also forced-repriced the same E class inbound to current high price (521-435).

Is this the normal? Win some lose some etc?

Thank you!

Given no change in routing, only cabin class, you should be allowed to use historical fare, i. e., the one-way upgrade cost should have been 795-435=360. I think the agent over-charged you. You might want to speak with CX. There is also the 150EUR penalty in addition to fare difference, though.


Code:

FQ1SEP24MADSHA20APR25-CX¥BE«

    MAD-SHA      CXR-CX      SUN 20APR25                    EUR
    CX  0/ 0/ 0 
    //SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
      SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
    CX-CXQ/PEYESSENT - PREMIUM ECONOMY ESSENTIAL
    CX    MADSHA.EH      20APR25          MPM  8149
      V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW  FARE-RT BK  SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      1    ER99ESHR  -            870.00 E¥30DEC-30JUN -/ 6M EH01
    EH01*  /WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/ PUBLISHED RTG 5195
          TRAVEL MUST BE VIA HKG
          1. MAD-9B-BCN/MAD-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
          2. MAD-AF-AMS/BCN/LON/MAD/MIL/PAR/ROM/ZRH-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
          3. MAD-AZ/BA/CX/EN/EW/IB/LH/LX/SK/VY-AMS/BCN/FRA/LON/
              MAD/MAN/MIL/PAR/ROM/ZRH-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
          4. MAD-CX-HKG-CX-SHA
          5. MAD-KL-AMS/BCN/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/PAR/ROM/ZRH-CX-HKG-CX-
              SHA
    .

RD1*VC«

      V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW  FARE-RT BK  SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      1    ER99ESHR  -            870.00 E¥30DEC-30JUN -/ 6M EH01
    PASSENGER TYPE-ADT                AUTO PRICE-YES             
    FROM-MAD TO-SHA    CXR-CX    TVL-20APR25  RULE-1581 IPREUAS/4
    FARE BASIS-ER99ESHR          SPECIAL FARE  DIS-E  VENDOR-ATP
    FARE TYPE-ZEX      RT-PREMIUM ECONOMY EXCURSION
    EUR  870.00  5195  E01AUG24 D-INFINITY  FC-ER99ESHR  FN-X3 
    SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 31JUL24/1920  EXPIRES 03SEP24/0514
    31.VOLUNTARY CHANGES
      IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
      BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
      CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
      BY THOSE OF CX INTERNATIONAL FARES
      CHARGE EUR 150.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE[
      COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY - NO FEE FOR
      INFANTS W/O SEAT AND
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX E-99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -31 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        8. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -41 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        8. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT

        7. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        8. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -31 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -41 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL THEN
      ADD-COLLECT
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
      OR -
      BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
      CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
      BY THOSE OF CX INTERNATIONAL FARES
      CHARGE EUR 400.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
      COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY - NO FEE FOR
      INFANTS W/O SEAT AND
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX E-99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -31 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        8. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -41 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        8. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        8. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -31 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -41 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        4. CX -99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        6. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL THEN
      ADD-COLLECT
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
      OR -
      AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
      CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
      BY THOSE OF CX INTERNATIONAL FARES
      CHARGE EUR 150.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
      COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY - NO FEE FOR
      INFANTS W/O SEAT AND
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
        4. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        5. CX E-99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        6. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        7. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        8. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
        4. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        5. CX -31 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        6. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        7. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        8. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        9. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
        4. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        5. CX -41 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        6. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        7. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        8. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        9. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
        4. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        5. CX -99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        6. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        7. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        8. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        9. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL THEN
      ADD-COLLECT
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
      OR -
      AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
      CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
      BY THOSE OF CX INTERNATIONAL FARES
      CHARGE EUR 400.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
      COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY - NO FEE FOR
      INFANTS W/O SEAT AND
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
        2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
        4. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        5. CX E-99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        6. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        7. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        8. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
        4. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        5. CX -31 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        6. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        7. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        8. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        9. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
        4. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        5. CX -41 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        6. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        7. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        8. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        9. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
        1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
        MUST BE DOMESTIC
        2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
        FARE COMPONENT
        3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
        4. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
        5. CX -99 FARE FAMILY IS USED
        6. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
        PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
        FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
        7. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
        TKT
        8. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        9. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
        DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL THEN
      ADD-COLLECT
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
    .


mosfet Jun 17, 2025 8:16 pm

Would anyone be so kind to look at CX831 6/21 on expert flyer?

Had to book list min PE for work. The seat map was totally full when selecting seat.

I am OWE with AA and have had 2 OP ups in my time on CX. Once to J from PE HKG - CHC (seasonal flight) and once Y - PE HKG - AKL (I was OWS at the time).

Hope that anecdotical data helps!

bluetus04 Jun 18, 2025 1:10 am


Originally Posted by mosfet (Post 37152735)
Would anyone be so kind to look at CX831 6/21 on expert flyer?

Had to book list min PE for work. The seat map was totally full when selecting seat.

I am OWE with AA and have had 2 OP ups in my time on CX. Once to J from PE HKG - CHC (seasonal flight) and once Y - PE HKG - AKL (I was OWS at the time).

Hope that anecdotical data helps!

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c7817628d0.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1c7237195f.png

mosfet Jun 20, 2025 8:24 am

Appologies to follow up but we're pretty much T24 and I'm seeing a full seat map at check in. Are we W0?


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