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percysmith Dec 23, 2019 12:53 am


Originally Posted by thomas164 (Post 31868179)
I guess CX549 won't have many Y class redemptions due to the popularity of the route?

My thoughts exactly...and you got it as with Avios as well!

thomas164 Dec 23, 2019 12:58 am


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 31868186)
My thoughts exactly...and you got it as with Avios as well!

Ahhh! It was not a redemption but a paid ticket. I meant avios cannot be used for upgrade on other oneworld airlines include CX, so perhaps that is the reason why they were not offered a cheap upgrade at that time? But still I don't think I've heard CX giving out cheap AM upgrades instead of op-ups.

helvetic Dec 23, 2019 1:59 am


Originally Posted by thomas164 (Post 31868137)
My family (Both OWR) came back from HND on CX549 a few days ago. They faced an interesting situation and I'm not sure if I heard it before. Since I didn't travel with them so I may miss some details.
Background: Y class is overbooked, PEY and J are not full.
What happened is: Most (or all) PEY passengers were op-uped to J. All Y class passengers during my fam's check-in (They had to deal with overweight luggage so it took them a lot of time) were offered a cheap AM upgrade (1k or 2k miles, not sure) to PEY, and most passengers took the offer. They are definitely not OW/MPC silver or above because they are in the Y/PEY check-in counter. However, my family (BA/OWR, but travelled on CX metal mostly) on revenue ticket were not offered anything including an op-up. I understand avios cannot be used for upgrade, but should they be offered an op-up or something ahead of cheap AM upgrade? I don't think I've heard of a cheap upgrade in the past, so is this a new policy? Thanks!

Oneworld Ruby is pretty much bottom of the barrel. Not sure why you'd expect them to get an op-up. Surely in 200+ Y seats there'll be someone with higher status than that that'll get the upgrade first.

thomas164 Dec 23, 2019 2:04 am


Originally Posted by helvetic (Post 31868292)
Oneworld Ruby is pretty much bottom of the barrel. Not sure why you'd expect them to get an op-up. Surely in 200+ Y seats there'll be someone with higher status than that that'll get the upgrade first.

Perhaps you misunderstood my point. I was not expecting an op-up. I just wonder if instant cheap asiamiles upgrade has replaced op-up in some cases.
Also lining up in Y queue means the person has no status/MPC Green. So I wonder if op-up is given to MPC/Silver or above, then an option to upgrade using AM for non-status members. If this is the case, perhaps even OWE has no op-up?

percysmith Dec 23, 2019 3:19 am


Originally Posted by thomas164 (Post 31868199)
Ahhh! It was not a redemption but a paid ticket. I meant avios cannot be used for upgrade on other oneworld airlines include CX, so perhaps that is the reason why they were not offered a cheap upgrade at that time? But still I don't think I've heard CX giving out cheap AM upgrades instead of op-ups.

I understand the Avios angle now. I thought it was currency (already) paid for the ticket but you meant it as an ability to pay.

I think I'm with helvetic here - it's not discrimination by ability to pay.
Rather, OWR is really pretty low on the status pecking order that CX's algorithms may well have determined that a non-status AM member with high CIV and a small co-pay should be treated better than a partner OWR (doesn't CX Green and Premium Economy have their own desk in HND?)
A partner OWS may still be opuped.

thomas164 Dec 23, 2019 3:44 am


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 31868383)
I understand the Avios angle now. I thought it was currency (already) paid for the ticket but you meant it as an ability to pay.

I think I'm with helvetic here - it's not discrimination by ability to pay.
Rather, OWR is really pretty low on the status pecking order that CX's algorithms may well have determined that a non-status AM member with high CIV and a small co-pay should be treated better than a partner OWR (doesn't CX Green and Premium Economy have their own desk in HND?)
A partner OWS may still be opuped.

This actually makes me think I should cash in my miles back to MPC instead of BAEC. As I mentioned, my flights are mostly on CX, including long haul J and some short haul flights. The reason I choose BA is that I can qualify as OWR easily on BA, but only MPC/Green with the same flights, so I actually get some perks on my other OW flights.

Also, given the same amount of spending on CX, does status matter on CIV score (i.e. MPC Green vs BA OWR)?

Anyways back to this scenario: is it new to offer cheap AM upgrades to almost everyone instead of op-ups?

ernestnywang Dec 23, 2019 4:00 am


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 31868383)
Rather, OWR is really pretty low on the status pecking order that CX's algorithms may well have determined that a non-status AM member with high CIV and a small co-pay should be treated better than a partner OWR (doesn't CX Green and Premium Economy have their own desk in HND?)
A partner OWS may still be opuped.

I don't know how "cumulative" CIV is, but my parents, both GO for a few years in the past but now AM only, got a surprised op-up (both of them) on TPE-KIX earlier this year, from Y to W. Y class has been full for a long time on that flight.

percysmith Dec 23, 2019 4:22 am


Originally Posted by thomas164 (Post 31868414)
Anyways back to this scenario: is it new to offer cheap AM upgrades to almost everyone instead of op-ups?

It's still relatively novel. We need more data points on this. Otherwise OWR > Green.

pol212 Dec 23, 2019 7:41 pm

Flying to LHR during CNY time (Late Jan) Noticed my PEY (upgrade from Y) waitlist booking that I made 3 months ago was removed from the Asia miles portal without my knowledge. Had to put myself back on the waitlist for PEY again. Has this happened to anyone? Is this normal?

percysmith Dec 23, 2019 8:27 pm


Originally Posted by pol212 (Post 31871119)
Flying to LHR during CNY time (Late Jan) Noticed my PEY (upgrade from Y) waitlist booking that I made 3 months ago was removed from the Asia miles portal without my knowledge. Had to put myself back on the waitlist for PEY again. Has this happened to anyone? Is this normal?

Waitlist expired? Were you set a deadline when the upgrade waitlist was created?

pol212 Dec 23, 2019 8:50 pm

Ah youre absolutely right
"You can check for your latest flight status through "Your Flights". Please note that your waitlist booking will expire if the flights are not confirmed by 22:00, 23 Dec 2019."
Thanks

matmas Jan 7, 2020 3:04 am

My experience: I'm flying CX for the first time today and got an upgrade from the cheapest economy class (N) to business on CX746 BAH-DXB-HKG. Very generous! :-) The flight is overbooked and I'm OWE (IB Platino).

bluetus04 Jan 7, 2020 3:48 am


Originally Posted by matmas (Post 31918446)
My experience: I'm flying CX for the first time today and got an upgrade from the cheapest economy class (N) to business on CX746 BAH-DXB-HKG. Very generous! :-) The flight is overbooked and I'm OWE (IB Platino).

I flew HKG-DXB-HKG twice only and they were a couple years back so I can't say it's a lot of data points. Flights were all full in Y and got op-up to J on all segments. I was "just" CX Silver at that time. The same thing happened to a co-worker on his trips (separate). Sounds like it's fairly common to have an overbooked Y with not many elites on this route and op-up chance is good for anyone with CX/OW status.

helvetic Jan 7, 2020 4:27 am

I flew BAH-DXB once in business just for #2s and giggles… fun times. I love flying random 5th freedom routes!

tentseller Jan 7, 2020 10:09 am

HKG DBX corridor is a high Y demand route due to connecting pax from SE Asia working in DBX.


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