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Old Oct 29, 2013, 4:27 am
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Is it possible to buy a (cheap) upgrade on Cathay Pacific upon check-in?

The short answer is no.

Cathay, as a general rule, does not allow you to purchase last minute upgrades if there are empty seats in Y+, J or F. The only way to upgrade a ticket is to pay the fare difference between your current ticket, and an available fare class in the higher cabins. Note that if your current ticket has restrictions (cancellation fees, non-refundable) these still apply.

There are been stories of people who have been offered cheap upgrades by Cathay, but this is more an exception than a common occurrence.


If I upgrade my ticket using asia miles, do I still earn miles?

Yes, you will earn miles for the original fare class that you booked, not the upgraded cabin.

How do I get a free upgrade / operational upgrade (op-up)?
Cathay Pacific does not upgrade passengers just because there are empty seats in higher classes. Upgrades will only occur where there is overbooking in lower classes.

The order of upgrades when required is believed to be:
  1. VIP (Heads of State, Government Bodies, or Canto Pop/Movie stars)
  2. CX Diamond Plus
  3. CX Diamond Invitation, Diamond
  4. CX Gold
  5. CX management staff on travel duty
  6. oneworld Emerald
  7. CX staff on duty nominees , other airline staff nominees, CX staff on personal travel
  8. oneworld Sapphire
  9. CX Silver
  10. oneworld Ruby
  11. CX Green
  12. Asia Miles
  13. Non status
In the event of a tiebreak being needed, generally those with lower "Boarding Numbers" will take precedence (lower BN takes priority). The earlier you check in, the lower your BN. Asking for an upgrade at check-in will not work, so don't. This is definitely one case of where "if you don't ask, you don't get", does NOT apply. The amount you paid for your ticket or the fare class of your ticket does not appear to affect your upgrade chances.


I am travelling on an award ticket. Will I still be considered for a free upgrade?

Yes - there are many stories of passengers on award tickets, or who upgraded a class using miles, getting (additional) upgrades.



What happens if the aircraft has 4 or 3 cabins, but is only selling Business and Economy seats?

It is likely if you have Marco Polo status, and to a lesser extent oneworld status, you may be able to sit in either First Class seats (if booked in J) or Premium Economy (if booked in Y) with service of the original cabin. There doesn't appear to be consistency yet as to how these semi-upgrades are allocated. Some people have been able to choose seats in the higher cabin during online check-in, or some will get them on request at check-in. However, there is no entitlement to these seats.


Will I get an upgrade on my Birthday, or for my membership anniversary, or for reaching xx number of lifetime club miles?

Please see this link for members' experience with these kinds of upgrades: Marco Polo Anniversary Upgrades


I want to use Asia Miles to upgrade a BA flight. How do I do this?

As of 22 June 2018, it is no longer possible to upgrade BA flights with Asia Miles.


How do I upgrade a CX flight using miles?

If you already have issued your original ticket:
  1. Try upgrading using Manage My Booking on the website (not always successful)
  2. If self-service doesn't work, try calling Marco Polo hotline to check availability
  3. If there is availability, you will need to issue the upgrade immediately to secure it. They may give you a few days grace before isssuing the upgrade, but this is now rarely given.
  4. In a few days, or longer if they are busy, your miles will be deducted, and you will be emailed a new e-ticket with the upgrade class details on it, and your online booking for your original booking class will disappear.

If you have not made any booking yet, and you want to check availability:
  1. Call Marco Polo club to check for availability on the flights/dates you want, or check for normal redemption availability on the website.
  2. Book a revenue ticket in the class of service for which you will be paying. Do NOT do this via the website -- call a CX telephone sales number/travel agent.
  3. Put the booking on hold.
  4. Call the Marco Polo/Asia Miles Service Center. Have them book the upgrade and give you a deadline to have the ticket issued. (It's usually about 72 hours).
  5. Have telephone sales/travel agent issue your revenue ticket.
  6. Call Marco Polo/Asia Miles back. Give them the revenue ticket number against the PNR and ask them to issue your upgrade.
  7. In about two or three days, you'll get a new ticket with the upgrade showing.

If you don't receive a new e-ticket before departure, call up Marco Polo club to double check if the upgrade has been issued.
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Old Sep 18, 2015 | 10:23 am
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Just joined CX Green a week ago, got upgraded on the red-eye SIN-HKG CX714 2 days back. Simply asked at counter if an upgrade was possible and was told flight was overbooked and handed me a J BP!
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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 2:37 am
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960
Loading on CX806 on 20-SEP: F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 I9 W7 R6 E3 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M8 L3 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0

There is a chance, but not high.
Hi again! Would you mind letting me know the current status of this flight again? Booked in Premium Economy (31D) and my fingers are still crossed for a potential OP-UP.

Thanks!
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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 2:39 am
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Originally Posted by Calcjr23
Just joined CX Green a week ago, got upgraded on the red-eye SIN-HKG CX714 2 days back. Simply asked at counter if an upgrade was possible and was told flight was overbooked and handed me a J BP!
Awesome! Gotta love that. How was it? I have never flown J on CX.
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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 8:58 am
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Originally Posted by WhatTheMiguel
Hi again! Would you mind letting me know the current status of this flight again? Booked in Premium Economy (31D) and my fingers are still crossed for a potential OP-UP.

Thanks!
It is now: F3 A3 J3 C3 D3 I3 W9 R9 E9 Y6 B6 H6 K6 M5 L5 V4 S1 N0 Q0 O0

There is almost zero chance of a W->J op-up.
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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 9:27 am
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960
08 Sep HKG-LHR:
CX 255 F1 A2 J6 C1 D4 I0 W0 R0 E0 Y9 B9 H7 K2 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
CX 257 J6 C0 D3 I0 W0 R0 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
CX 239 J3 C1 D2 I0 W2 R3 E1 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M7 L7 V1 S1 N0 Q0 O0
CX 253 F1 A2 J9 C6 D8 I3 W2 R2 E0 Y9 B7 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
CX 251 F0 A0 J4 C0 D0 I0 W0 R0 E0 Y9 B9 H2 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0

13 Sep LHR-HKG:
CX 252 F1 A3 J7 C0 D2 I0 W0 R1 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N4 Q3 O0
CX 238 J1 C0 D0 I0 W0 R1 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
CX 250 F0 A1 J3 C0 D0 I0 W2 R3 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
CX 256 J4 C0 D2 I0 W0 R0 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N7 Q6 O3
CX 254 F0 A1 J0 C0 D0 I0 W3 R5 E1 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9

With only F1 and F0 for the flights, yes, too ideal
FYI, end up used MPC guarantee for Y -> W, U seat opened and grabbed 3 days before departure, at check-in still being told F was full, but finally got cleared the appreciation card Z seat at gate Saw at least one other appreciation card upgrade BP during boarding but no idea it's to T, U or Z

For return sector... Struggled till boarding still no U opening (nor even an aisle seat in PEY...... ) ISM said 2 J seats were malfunction, but even that 2 seats were functioning it's still full (not verifiable so whatever she said must be "true"...)

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Old Sep 19, 2015 | 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960
It is now: F3 A3 J3 C3 D3 I3 W9 R9 E9 Y6 B6 H6 K6 M5 L5 V4 S1 N0 Q0 O0

There is almost zero chance of a W->J op-up.
Oh well. Thanks again for looking!
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 8:04 am
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CX884

Quick question for the CX pro's..

Booked on CX 897 and 884 in PE (R class) for October travel. Upgraded the outbound day after booking, while waitlisted for the inbound. CX884 appears to be operated with the 77G which appears to have the lower density J cabin (40 seats vs. 53 on the 77H, per seatguru).

Wondering if the smaller J cabin reduces the likelihood of clearing the waitlist. Flight is on a Wednesday, if that matters.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 2:25 pm
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Originally Posted by raiz
Quick question for the CX pro's..

Booked on CX 897 and 884 in PE (R class) for October travel. Upgraded the outbound day after booking, while waitlisted for the inbound. CX884 appears to be operated with the 77G which appears to have the lower density J cabin (40 seats vs. 53 on the 77H, per seatguru).

Wondering if the smaller J cabin reduces the likelihood of clearing the waitlist. Flight is on a Wednesday, if that matters.
My wife booked a R ticket in June. Her outbound SFO-HKG late September was cleared immediately, but she was waitlisted on her return HKG-SFO (CX872 on 77H) on her return late October. Instead of changing the return date, I used my miles to upgrade her (DM vs SL) and was cleared immediately.

Are you flexible to pick a different return date or flight?
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 6:14 pm
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Thanks for the reply cxfan1960. Not flexible with the return date but can take any of the 4 daily flights. This is what prompted the thought that the 77G is less likely to clear waitlist, given the lower J capacity.

Could you clarify "(DM vs SL)"
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 7:47 pm
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Originally Posted by raiz
Thanks for the reply cxfan1960. Not flexible with the return date but can take any of the 4 daily flights. This is what prompted the thought that the 77G is less likely to clear waitlist, given the lower J capacity.

Could you clarify "(DM vs SL)"
Award redemption availability is also affected by the status of the passenger and the Asia Miles sponsor (from low to high): Asia Miles member (AM), MPC Green (GR), MPC Silver (SL), MPC Gold (GO), MPC Diamond (DM), and MPC Diamond Plus (DMP). When my wife (a SL) had to waitlist for an upgrade in June, I (a DM) used my miles to secure the upgrade for her.

It may seem that availability should be higher for 77H because there are more J seats, but CX may already have put 77H at a time slot preferred by their J passengers.
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Old Sep 21, 2015 | 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960
It may seem that availability should be higher for 77H because there are more J seats, but CX may already have put 77H at a time slot preferred by their J passengers.
This was my feeling as well.. Somewhat of a dark science I suppose
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Old Sep 23, 2015 | 10:32 am
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I am so grateful for this thread. Just discovered it.
Two questions for a Newbie...

1. If your waitlist upgrade doesn't clear four days out, can you still try to upgrade using miles at the airport?
2. Can some one show me loads for cx807 (ord-hkg) on 17OCT and cx872 (hkg-sfo) on 20OCT. We are trying to upgrade from Paid Business (I) to First (Z?)? Would be so interested in the loads.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by tnflyer
1. If your waitlist upgrade doesn't clear four days out, can you still try to upgrade using miles at the airport?
Yes

Originally Posted by tnflyer
2. Can some one show me loads for cx807 (ord-hkg) on 17OCT and cx872 (hkg-sfo) on 20OCT. We are trying to upgrade from Paid Business (I) to First (Z?)? Would be so interested in the loads.
CX 807 0 ORD
17/10/15 15:30 HKG
18/10/15 20:20 77W
Daily
35% / 52m F5A5J9C9D9I5W9R9E5Y9B9H9K9M9L9V9S0N0Q0O0

CX 872 0 HKG
20/10/15 0:30 SFO
19/10/15 22:15 77W
Daily
26% / 48m F5A5J9C9D9I9W9R9E9Y9B9H9K9M9L9V9S9N9Q9O9
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Old Sep 23, 2015 | 6:51 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith
Originally Posted by tnflyer
1. If your waitlist upgrade doesn't clear four days out, can you still try to upgrade using miles at the airport?
Yes
There is one more requirement if the passenger is not using his/her own miles. In addition to the passenger being on the Asia Miles sponsor's redemption list, both the passenger and his/her sponsor must be on the same flight.
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960
There is one more requirement if the passenger is not using his/her own miles. In addition to the passenger being on the Asia Miles sponsor's redemption list, both the passenger and his/her sponsor must be on the same flight.
If this is the case it would be entirely contrary to the conversation I had with the CX phone rep. My undertanding was that in order to process an instant upgrade, the passeneger needed to have the sponsor's information i.e. address, DOB, etc. but no mention of the sposnor needing to travel on the same flight.
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