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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 1:50 am
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I am a former frequent flyer with Star Alliance. Travel slowed the last few years but is picking up again. Having had status, I never much worried about the nuances of bag requirements, but given a long layoff from int'l travel I come back to a world where second bags are requiring a fee on some carriers. So my question is this -

Upcoming trip SFO-PEK. Layover in HKG. CX to HKG, and either AC or KA to PEK. Will the two bag allowance for Y apply to connecting leg from HKG-PEK? Or will I be required to pay overages (weight or piece) when connecting off the mainline? I can't seem to get a straight answer from any airline site.

Any guidance will be appreciated.

Asking same question over on the SQ thread, as I am unsure which alliance I will choose to stick with. Either way, these ridiculous baggage measures offer great incentive to regain status ASAP.
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 2:00 am
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CX still allow 2 pieces for long-haul Y, while AC reduced to 1 piece only.

Are you planning to buy your SFO-HKG and HKG-PEK ticket together? Or separately?
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 2:02 am
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Originally Posted by tristsf
I am a former frequent flyer with Star Alliance. Travel slowed the last few years but is picking up again. Having had status, I never much worried about the nuances of bag requirements, but given a long layoff from int'l travel I come back to a world where second bags are requiring a fee on some carriers. So my question is this -

Upcoming trip SFO-PEK. Layover in HKG. CX to HKG, and either AC or KA to PEK. Will the two bag allowance for Y apply to connecting leg from HKG-PEK? Or will I be required to pay overages (weight or piece) when connecting off the mainline? I can't seem to get a straight answer from any airline site.

Any guidance will be appreciated.

Asking same question over on the SQ thread, as I am unsure which alliance I will choose to stick with. Either way, these ridiculous baggage measures offer great incentive to regain status ASAP.
It is probably a no-brainer to choose CX for this itinerary given they wholly own Dragonair, and fly to PEK from HKG almost hourly. Connection is seamless and 2 bags are allowed, even for non-status Y pax.
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 2:19 am
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Originally Posted by tristsf
...and either AC or KA to PEK...
Originally Posted by CanucksHKG
CX still allow 2 pieces for long-haul Y, while AC reduced to 1 piece only.
OP means is Air China (CA), instead of Air Canada.

Originally Posted by QRC3288
It is probably a no-brainer to choose CX for this itinerary given they wholly own Dragonair, and fly to PEK from HKG almost hourly. Connection is seamless and 2 bags are allowed, even for non-status Y pax.
Even CA partners with CX, it is still best to book KA.
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 12:22 pm
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Originally Posted by CanucksHKG
CX still allow 2 pieces for long-haul Y, while AC reduced to 1 piece only.

Are you planning to buy your SFO-HKG and HKG-PEK ticket together? Or separately?
It will be on one reservations. The second leg is a choice between AC and KA. Assuming that means over-the-sea carrier standards apply the whole way, but again, there does not seem to be any definitive evidence.
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by tristsf
Layover in HKG.
Originally Posted by tristsf
It will be on one reservations. The second leg is a choice between AC and KA. Assuming that means over-the-sea carrier standards apply the whole way, but again, there does not seem to be any definitive evidence.
I was assured by CX phone sales that my US-origination allowance would apply the whole way (2nd leg is on KA; by itself it would have a 30kg allowance rather than 2 bags) even though I was going to be in HKG for over 24 hours. I don't trust phone sales staff, though.

My booking confirmation e-mail also says 2 bags to final destination, but this e-mail was sent by AA and not CX, so once I am in HKG, CX could refuse to honor it.

In short, I too am interested in definitive answers to the OP's question.
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 3:54 pm
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Originally Posted by SeeBuyFly
I was assured by CX phone sales that my US-origination allowance would apply the whole way (2nd leg is on KA; by itself it would have a 30kg allowance rather than 2 bags) even though I was going to be in HKG for over 24 hours. I don't trust phone sales staff, though.

My booking confirmation e-mail also says 2 bags to final destination, but this e-mail was sent by AA and not CX, so once I am in HKG, CX could refuse to honor it.

In short, I too am interested in definitive answers to the OP's question.
Any reservation that touches the US/Canada will have the piece concept for checked baggage allowance applied to the WHOLE ticket/itinerary. This includes stopovers and any non-US/Canada flights (HKG-PEK, in this instance). So you will have 2 pieces of 50 or 70 lbs (for Y or F/J respectively) for the entire itinerary.
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 3:59 pm
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Originally Posted by jumbojet19920711
This includes stopovers
OK, thanks! Other airlines don't follow this rule (BA, as a OW example), so good to know that CX does. Is there an official source for this information?
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Old Mar 1, 2013 | 4:11 am
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Originally Posted by jumbojet19920711
Any reservation that touches the US/Canada will have the piece concept for checked baggage allowance applied to the WHOLE ticket/itinerary. This includes stopovers and any non-US/Canada flights (HKG-PEK, in this instance). So you will have 2 pieces of 50 or 70 lbs (for Y or F/J respectively) for the entire itinerary.
No.

Code:
PSGR TYPE  ADT - 01  
     CXR RES DATE  FARE BASIS      NVB   NVA    BG  
 SFO  
 HKG CX  V   01MAR LLSPCLO         01MAR 01MAR 02P  
 BJS CX  V   OPEN  LLSPCLO               01MAR 20K  
FARE  USD    604.00    
TAX   USD     17.20US USD      2.50AY USD    174.40XT  
TOTAL USD    798.10  
ADT-01  LLSPCLO  
 SFO CX E/HKG CX BJS Q4.25 600.00NUC604.25END ROE1.00  
XT USD15.60HK USD154.30YR USD4.50XFSFO4.5  
ENDOS*SEG1/2*CXNONEND/CHG-REF USD100  
ATTN*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1,2  
ATTN*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED SEG 1  
ATTN*VERIFY TKT STOCK RESTRICTIONS SEG 1,2  
ATTN*PAYMENT/TKT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1,2  
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - CX  
ATTN*APPLICABLE BOOKING CLASS - 1V 2V   
   
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **  
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE   
   CONFIRMED **
Originally Posted by SeeBuyFly
OK, thanks! Other airlines don't follow this rule (BA, as a OW example), so good to know that CX does. Is there an official source for this information?
It is the IATA MSC rule. However, I believe jumbojet19920711 misinterpreted it. As long as you have a transit (< 24 hrs) in HKG, the piece concept will apply for the HKG-PEK segment.

Code:
PSGR TYPE  ADT - 01  
     CXR RES DATE  FARE BASIS      NVB   NVA    BG  
 SFO  
XHKG CX  V   01MAR LLSPCLO         01MAR 01MAR 02P  
 BJS CA  H   OPEN  HOWHK                 30JUN 02P  
FARE  USD    844.00    
TAX   USD     17.20US USD      2.50AY USD    155.70XT  
TOTAL USD   1019.40  
ADT-01  LLSPCLO HOWHK  
 SFO CX HKG540.00CA BJS Q4.25 299.35NUC843.60END ROE1.00  
XT USD151.20YR USD4.50XFSFO4.5  
ENDOS*SEG1*CXNONEND/CHG-REF USD100  
ENDOS*SEG2*NON-END/PENALTY APPLS  
ATTN*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1,2  
ATTN*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED SEG 1  
ATTN*TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS MAY APPLY SEG 2  
ATTN*VERIFY TKT STOCK RESTRICTIONS SEG 1  
ATTN*PAYMENT/TKT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1,2  
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - CX  
ATTN*APPLICABLE BOOKING CLASS - 1V 2H   
   
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **  
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
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Old Mar 1, 2013 | 12:01 pm
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang
It is the IATA MSC rule. However, I believe jumbojet19920711 misinterpreted it. As long as you have a transit (< 24 hrs) in HKG, the piece concept will apply for the HKG-PEK segment.
Thanks, that is what I suspected. I know about transit, no one suggests that there is any problem with transit. Both the OP and I were asking about stopovers.
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