Disgruntled Diamond
#16
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Sydney, Australia
Programs: CX GO by flying, ex-QF PS, AMEX Platinum, CA & KrisFlyer Nobody
Posts: 525
I have sent an email to MPC to ask if this is a new business initiative. If it proves that I can keep my GO status by keeping Amex Plat and not fly with CX at all, I will stop buying V ticket straight away - they are usually 20-30% more expensive than NQS.
#17

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: BA Gold, JGC Sapphire, OZ Diamond, AF Silver, CX GR, Marriott Lifetime SL
Posts: 3,598
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Well if you need seat guarantee you still need to buy V or above (of course if you ever need it)
Well if you need seat guarantee you still need to buy V or above (of course if you ever need it)
#19


Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Always on the move
Programs: Something lifetime here and there
Posts: 1,873
Interesting read so far. I am EXP with AA, but travel a significant amount now on CX (from leaving UA and doing DCIR trips). I have thought about switching over to CX and get diamond status since the INTL longhaul flights are on CX mostly. However, being based in the US and still doing a fair amount of domestic travel and AA's "earn and burn" ability is tough to beat.
I guess I will have to continue to evaluate this as I go forward.
I guess I will have to continue to evaluate this as I go forward.
#20


Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: HKG
Programs: CX DM, NH Plat, SPG Lifetime Plat, Hyatt Plat
Posts: 404
Long haul to reach DM
Interesting read so far. I am EXP with AA, but travel a significant amount now on CX (from leaving UA and doing DCIR trips). I have thought about switching over to CX and get diamond status since the INTL longhaul flights are on CX mostly. However, being based in the US and still doing a fair amount of domestic travel and AA's "earn and burn" ability is tough to beat.
I guess I will have to continue to evaluate this as I go forward.
I guess I will have to continue to evaluate this as I go forward.
#21




Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX DM, Accor Platinum, Discovery Titanium, Bonvoy Gold, Ultima
Posts: 414
Yes but if your pattern warrants, they will fast track you.
#22
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Sydney, Australia
Programs: CX GO by flying, ex-QF PS, AMEX Platinum, CA & KrisFlyer Nobody
Posts: 525
... unless you fax MPC your fly patterns and ask them to start your membership with Silver or Gold... which is not impossible.
#23
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: HKG
Programs: CX, BA
Posts: 239
To OP: what benefits were you expecting/hoping as DM?
I'm sure there is some devaluation of DM since the introduction of Amex DM's but from my time as DM, it's still quite different from GO (i.e. first versus biz lounge access, op-up priority, overall treatment/recognition on board, mileage redemption).
As to op-ups, the biggest factor is which routes you fly and having flexibility as to which flight you take if there are multiple flights to that destination on same day. Your op-up rate is probably due to lower yields in Y over the past year as I don't think they prioritise DM's based on revenues in terms of op-ups (there are suggestions that lower BN's have better chance but I don't think the system can op-up based on a DM's recent/past revenue).
I'm sure there is some devaluation of DM since the introduction of Amex DM's but from my time as DM, it's still quite different from GO (i.e. first versus biz lounge access, op-up priority, overall treatment/recognition on board, mileage redemption).
As to op-ups, the biggest factor is which routes you fly and having flexibility as to which flight you take if there are multiple flights to that destination on same day. Your op-up rate is probably due to lower yields in Y over the past year as I don't think they prioritise DM's based on revenues in terms of op-ups (there are suggestions that lower BN's have better chance but I don't think the system can op-up based on a DM's recent/past revenue).
#24
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: ZOA, SFO, HKG
Programs: UA 1K 0.9MM, Marriott Gold, HHonors Gold, Hertz PC, SBux Gold, TSA Pre✓
Posts: 13,807
Interesting read so far. I am EXP with AA, but travel a significant amount now on CX (from leaving UA and doing DCIR trips). I have thought about switching over to CX and get diamond status since the INTL longhaul flights are on CX mostly. However, being based in the US and still doing a fair amount of domestic travel and AA's "earn and burn" ability is tough to beat.
I guess I will have to continue to evaluate this as I go forward.
I guess I will have to continue to evaluate this as I go forward.
Even I assume CX will immediately fasttrack you to DM, here are the instant that you will lose:
1. 100% Bonus miles (When you travel on CX on AA codeshare, your earning rate follows AA, not CX)
2. A more restricted mile expiration policy (AA - 18 months after no activity, CX - 3 years after they are earned)
3. Your EXP complimentary upgrade as well as eVIP.
4. YQ/YR for award tickets
But here is what you can gain back:
1. Possible op-up chance (You will need to ask an actual DM for that possibility)
2. Guaranteed lounge access (AC requires membership, if you are AA members)
3. First-Class lounge in HKG
4. And various gestures discussed through here
#25
Suspended
Join Date: May 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: A3, TK *G; JL JGC; SPG,Hilton Gold
Posts: 9,952
Interesting read so far. I am EXP with AA, but travel a significant amount now on CX (from leaving UA and doing DCIR trips). I have thought about switching over to CX and get diamond status since the INTL longhaul flights are on CX mostly. However, being based in the US and still doing a fair amount of domestic travel and AA's "earn and burn" ability is tough to beat.
I guess I will have to continue to evaluate this as I go forward.
I guess I will have to continue to evaluate this as I go forward.
If i were to give some suggestions, i'd recommend you speaking with cathayboy and Short Hair Francis. They are the people that i can ring off my head that have made a strong decision for 1 over the other (CB with CX and SHF with AA(mainly). A few others here also have some stint on both airlines...
#26


Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Always on the move
Programs: Something lifetime here and there
Posts: 1,873
Thanks...I am aware of it. I do around 250K and looks to go north of 300K a year over time, so I would wait (if I did it) until the timing is right to get through it quickly.
#27


Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Always on the move
Programs: Something lifetime here and there
Posts: 1,873
No need to evaluate - AA is better than CX.
Even I assume CX will immediately fasttrack you to DM, here are the instant that you will lose:
1. 100% Bonus miles (When you travel on CX on AA codeshare, your earning rate follows AA, not CX)
2. A more restricted mile expiration policy (AA - 18 months after no activity, CX - 3 years after they are earned)
3. Your EXP complimentary upgrade as well as eVIP.
4. YQ/YR for award tickets
But here is what you can gain back:
1. Possible op-up chance (You will need to ask an actual DM for that possibility)
2. Guaranteed lounge access (AC requires membership, if you are AA members)
3. First-Class lounge in HKG
4. And various gestures discussed through here
Even I assume CX will immediately fasttrack you to DM, here are the instant that you will lose:
1. 100% Bonus miles (When you travel on CX on AA codeshare, your earning rate follows AA, not CX)
2. A more restricted mile expiration policy (AA - 18 months after no activity, CX - 3 years after they are earned)
3. Your EXP complimentary upgrade as well as eVIP.
4. YQ/YR for award tickets
But here is what you can gain back:
1. Possible op-up chance (You will need to ask an actual DM for that possibility)
2. Guaranteed lounge access (AC requires membership, if you are AA members)
3. First-Class lounge in HKG
4. And various gestures discussed through here
#28


Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Always on the move
Programs: Something lifetime here and there
Posts: 1,873
how much DCIR are you doing a year? Can you maintain CX GO (60K status miles) whilst being AA EXP?
If i were to give some suggestions, i'd recommend you speaking with cathayboy and Short Hair Francis. They are the people that i can ring off my head that have made a strong decision for 1 over the other (CB with CX and SHF with AA(mainly). A few others here also have some stint on both airlines...
If i were to give some suggestions, i'd recommend you speaking with cathayboy and Short Hair Francis. They are the people that i can ring off my head that have made a strong decision for 1 over the other (CB with CX and SHF with AA(mainly). A few others here also have some stint on both airlines...
Thanks for suggestion. I have been with AA for quite awhile (2MM+ with them) as well as a heavy UA until recently, so I am a little apprehensive to make the move to CX...
#29
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau




Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 22,125
Has anyone here/at CX considered giving status away is a disincentive for other pax?
Last edited by percysmith; Jun 15, 2012 at 3:15 am

