773 config change?
Nov 4, 2009 | 7:14 am
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773 config change?
None of the spotters seems to have pointed this out here yet, so I'll ask. I just noticed in passing that there are now two configs for the regional 773s. This is new isn't it? Essentially the small two row section of business has been replaced by economy on one plane. Any other changes going alone with this? Like AVOD for example?
Nov 4, 2009 | 7:33 am
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woh good eyes... 3 more lines of Y and 2 less J ...
I guess they will simply drop those old seats from A340 ... will the same change goes to A330 with long haul product ? cabin wise it looks very do-able
I guess they will simply drop those old seats from A340 ... will the same change goes to A330 with long haul product ? cabin wise it looks very do-able
Last edited by ChrisLi; Nov 4, 2009 at 7:38 am
Nov 4, 2009 | 9:15 pm
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SQ is doing this as well as from what I've heard.
As for what CX is doing with their regional 773's, possibly they'll be refurbished with the new business and economy seats, right?
If so, do you think it would have the old maps or the 3-D maps?
As for what CX is doing with their regional 773's, possibly they'll be refurbished with the new business and economy seats, right?
If so, do you think it would have the old maps or the 3-D maps?
The link to the second configuration has disappeared! But it still says "Figure 1". hmmm
Nov 5, 2009 | 3:30 am
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Interesting. There's someone monitoring this board and CX doesn't want us to see this new config yet. New regional seats I think! If it was simply taking out 2 rows I don't think it would warrant a "new config being gradually rolled out" message.
Nov 6, 2009 | 2:15 am
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The disclaimer is probably there to warn people that their row 55 exit seat on the old config might turn into a back row cabin seat on the new config. Though new seats would be lovely, I suspect it's just the two rows being pulled to match the declining J demand.
Nov 9, 2009 | 4:11 pm
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Article in SCMP today confirmed that they are pulling out 2 rows in J and replacing them with 3 rows of Y to match the decline in business class travel... updated layout will have 45 seats in J and 353 seats in Y:
Cathay Pacific Airways will replace two rows of business seats with economy seats on its 12 Boeing 777-300 (B773) aircraft this month, a sign premium passenger demand is lagging the pick-up seen at the rear of the plane.
A Cathay spokesman said the reconfiguration aimed to improve crew service, as business class seats on the aircraft were in two sections.
However, analysts said the move had more to do with slow demand for premium seats, as Cathay had been hit heavily by a slump in business and first class sales.
"More and more airlines perceive that premium traffic will not recover as fast as economy class in the near term," said Karen Chan, a transport analyst at RCM.
Qantas Airways might ditch first class seats on short international routes to increase revenue, chief executive Alan Joyce said last month.
The B773 is deployed by Cathay on regional routes such as Taipei, Bangkok, Tokyo and Seoul. The carrier's backbone - the B777-300ER, which is used on long-haul routes - will keep its seating configuration.
The first B773 aircraft was moved to a hangar of Hong Kong Aircraft Engineering at the weekend for the seating changes. Work on the remaining planes is expected to be completed next month.
About 14 seats will be removed from the front-end cabin, bringing down the number of business seats to 45 after the reconfiguration. The number of economy seats, in contrast, will increase to 353 from 326.
In August, premium paying passengers worldwide fell 12 per cent from a year earlier, compared with a 23.5 per cent year-on-year drop in May.
"World trade has picked up since June but not sufficiently to warrant a significant rise in premium travel," said the International Air Transport Association, an airline industry body with more than 230 members.
Economy traffic dropped 0.4 per cent in August across the globe from a year earlier, compared with the low point in February, when traffic dipped 8.4 per cent.
Economy demand has been helped by a trade-down by premium paying passengers.
A recovery in premium travel will be crucial to the turnaround of regional airlines, especially Cathay and Singapore Airlines. Travellers in premium seats represent fewer than 10 per cent of the total but normally contribute as much as 30 per cent of passenger revenue.
A Cathay spokesman said the reconfiguration aimed to improve crew service, as business class seats on the aircraft were in two sections.
However, analysts said the move had more to do with slow demand for premium seats, as Cathay had been hit heavily by a slump in business and first class sales.
"More and more airlines perceive that premium traffic will not recover as fast as economy class in the near term," said Karen Chan, a transport analyst at RCM.
Qantas Airways might ditch first class seats on short international routes to increase revenue, chief executive Alan Joyce said last month.
The B773 is deployed by Cathay on regional routes such as Taipei, Bangkok, Tokyo and Seoul. The carrier's backbone - the B777-300ER, which is used on long-haul routes - will keep its seating configuration.
The first B773 aircraft was moved to a hangar of Hong Kong Aircraft Engineering at the weekend for the seating changes. Work on the remaining planes is expected to be completed next month.
About 14 seats will be removed from the front-end cabin, bringing down the number of business seats to 45 after the reconfiguration. The number of economy seats, in contrast, will increase to 353 from 326.
In August, premium paying passengers worldwide fell 12 per cent from a year earlier, compared with a 23.5 per cent year-on-year drop in May.
"World trade has picked up since June but not sufficiently to warrant a significant rise in premium travel," said the International Air Transport Association, an airline industry body with more than 230 members.
Economy traffic dropped 0.4 per cent in August across the globe from a year earlier, compared with the low point in February, when traffic dipped 8.4 per cent.
Economy demand has been helped by a trade-down by premium paying passengers.
A recovery in premium travel will be crucial to the turnaround of regional airlines, especially Cathay and Singapore Airlines. Travellers in premium seats represent fewer than 10 per cent of the total but normally contribute as much as 30 per cent of passenger revenue.
Nov 21, 2009 | 1:16 am
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If there is someone monitoring this board, then I would like to send them a very clear message: Your IT department is utter rubbish. It is a shambolic mess. If the new seat map was not meant to be released then your IT department should not have uploaded it. Someone needs to take clear charge over there and whip them into shape - the CX website is hopelessly inconsistent across its fleet information; with different styles used to describe the individual type of aircraft (e.g. there is now a "figure 1" for the 773 without a "figure 2"; some types carry a three letter alphanumeric code while others don't). This is without even getting started on your travel newsflashes, most of which are written in the most appalling English. The website is the first port of call for many of your customers. Is it too much to ask you to slick it up so it doesn't look like an unprofessional mess?
Boeing 747-400
The Boeing 747-400 is built for high-traffic long-haul routes. In its standard configuration the aircraft carries up to 383 passengers in three classes. Cathay Pacific deploys the B747-400 between Hong Kong and destinations such as London, Frankfurt, Sydney, Los Angeles, Vancouver, and New York. It is also deployed on high-traffic regional routes such as between Hong Kong and Taipei.
The Boeing 747-400 is built for high-traffic long-haul routes. In its standard configuration the aircraft carries up to 383 passengers in three classes. Cathay Pacific deploys the B747-400 between Hong Kong and destinations such as London, Frankfurt, Sydney, Los Angeles, Vancouver, and New York. It is also deployed on high-traffic regional routes such as between Hong Kong and Taipei.
Airbus Industrie A340-300
These three-class aircraft are designed to carry up to 243 passengers in three classes. They are used on low-traffic, long-haul routes such as between Hong Kong and Rome, Zurich, San Francisco, and Toronto.
These three-class aircraft are designed to carry up to 243 passengers in three classes. They are used on low-traffic, long-haul routes such as between Hong Kong and Rome, Zurich, San Francisco, and Toronto.
