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Guy Betsy Oct 9, 2009 5:40 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy (Post 12582309)
Wow, you were able to find this out. I asked the FA and she said all she knows is there was a problem and it was fixed.

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Don't rely on cabin crew to give you answers on mechanical issues .. or delays. They know nothing...

I was once assured by the F cabin crew that due to a late departure from YVR to JFK that my connecting flight would be notified of our delay and that I shouldn't worry.

Of course when I arrived in JFK, UA had no idea that I was delayed and they had closed the counter. Lets just say that I was first out the aircraft, through immigration, customs and at the UA check in counter in 10 mins! Good thing both CX and UA use Terminal 7 in JFK, and since I was travelling in F on UA as they reopened the counter to take me on for my flight to LHR!

Cathay Boy Oct 9, 2009 7:07 pm


Originally Posted by Guy Betsy (Post 12588225)
Don't rely on cabin crew to give you answers on mechanical issues .. or delays. They know nothing...

I was once assured by the F cabin crew that due to a late departure from YVR to JFK that my connecting flight would be notified of our delay and that I shouldn't worry.

Of course when I arrived in JFK, UA had no idea that I was delayed and they had closed the counter. Lets just say that I was first out the aircraft, through immigration, customs and at the UA check in counter in 10 mins! Good thing both CX and UA use Terminal 7 in JFK, and since I was travelling in F on UA as they reopened the counter to take me on for my flight to LHR!

Heh heh, reminds me of a trip I took a long while back on Northwest (when our company was small and we travel cheap). Our flight from TPE to Tokyo was delayed for 2-3 hours, apparently there are at least 20 passengers on this flight that is destined for USA. Northwest actually ordered the plane in Tokyo to wait for us rather than leave us behind, put us in hotels with meals, and take the flight next day. Needless to say when we get on board some Y passengers started to murmured under their breathes: "so these are the mother F----- that we are waiting for..."

sealalula Oct 9, 2009 8:19 pm

May i know which particular date you flew on ? Thanks

sealalula Oct 9, 2009 8:23 pm


Originally Posted by b-kpf (Post 12575451)
I once heard that out of all the 773ERs in CX, KPF is the most faulty.


I hope KPL (Oneworld Livery) wont have this problem too.

Dr. HFH Oct 9, 2009 9:39 pm


Originally Posted by sealalula (Post 12589561)
KPF is somehow always at the hangar and rarely in service.

Seems like a pretty expensive piece of equipment to have hanging around on the books if it is truly "rarely in service." Do you have any source or data from which you gleaned this information?

b-kpf Oct 9, 2009 10:47 pm


Originally Posted by sealalula (Post 12589561)
KPF is somehow always at the hangar and rarely in service.

I hope KPL (Oneworld Livery) wont have this problem too.

That's not true. Just because I mentioned KPF being faulty (and this was from a reliable source) doesn't mean it spends its days in a hangar.

KPF has been doing an average of about a flight a day. A quick look into spotters will tell you that as well.

Rejuvenated Oct 10, 2009 1:06 am

840->889 and 888->841 are indeed the correct turnarounds. Back when the 74A was doing 888/889, one of the 77A would arrive as 840 where the aircraft would overnight in JFK before flying back the next morning as 841. Thus with only several hours in between 888/841 and then later in the evening with 840/889, they are having better aircraft utilization.

sealalula Oct 10, 2009 8:16 am


Originally Posted by b-kpf (Post 12590595)
That's not true. Just because I mentioned KPF being faulty (and this was from a reliable source) doesn't mean it spends its days in a hangar.

KPF has been doing an average of about a flight a day. A quick look into spotters will tell you that as well.

Uhh , ok.

ChrisLi Oct 10, 2009 9:04 am

I think someone should stop saying something without valid proof and / or personal experience. We probabaly have enough of those in CX / HK forum. Different Views are always welcomed but not pure speculation.

Regarding the bumpy aicraft I think Boeing has some sort of warranty / maintainece plan attached to it. As airline business you always have to plan ahead for additional plane to replace faulty ones which need AOG (Aircraft on Ground) maintainece or (A-D) checks. When it is at outport it's always another story.

From this it teach me to buy travel insurance everytime. It become handy when it comes to tech issues

flying MD Oct 10, 2009 9:10 am

We were supposed to fly on a delayed CX 841 on Oct 7th. While on the way to the airport received a text message that the flight was delayed and scheduled to depart at 1:20AM. Shortly after another text message with the new departure time at 10PM. We were booked in F. Upon arrival at the airport we were booked on ANA in F to NRT and then on NW in C to HGK. There was no availability in C on CX at that time. Once we arrived in NRT we were rebooked to CX 505, which was subsequently canceled (first delay 2/2 cleaning, then engine problem, then air conditioning problem). We got on the plane at 8:40pm, left the gate, but came back shortly after due to recurrent AC problem. Got off the aircraft and boarded another one at 10:30pm. Left the gate again, but returned shortly after 11pm due to curfew at the airport. Went to hotel and departed the next day at 11am. Unbelievable!!! Never CX again!

ChrisLi Oct 10, 2009 9:29 am


Originally Posted by flying MD (Post 12592820)
We were supposed to fly on a delayed CX 841 on Oct 7th. While on the way to the airport received a text message that the flight was delayed and scheduled to depart at 1:20AM. Shortly after another text message with the new departure time at 10PM. We were booked in F. Upon arrival at the airport we were booked on ANA in F to NRT and then on NW in C to HGK. There was no availability in C on CX at that time. Once we arrived in NRT we were rebooked to CX 505, which was subsequently canceled (first delay 2/2 cleaning, then engine problem, then air conditioning problem). We got on the plane at 8:40pm, left the gate, but came back shortly after due to recurrent AC problem. Got off the aircraft and boarded another one at 10:30pm. Left the gate again, but returned shortly after 11pm due to curfew at the airport. Went to hotel and departed the next day at 11am. Unbelievable!!! Never CX again!

Seems you are too lucky to catch both well published delay ... I think you should file an complain and you probably get something serious in return...

Is this the first leg of your RT trip ? I hope the return trip HKG --> JFK amaze you.

flying MD Oct 10, 2009 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by ChrisLi (Post 12592926)
Seems you are too lucky to catch both well published delay ... I think you should file an complain and you probably get something serious in return...

Is this the first leg of your RT trip ? I hope the return trip HKG --> JFK amaze you.

Yes, it was the first leg, returning in 10 days, hopefully with no major troubles. Yes, I am planning on writing them up and filing a complaint.

linx823 Oct 11, 2009 1:10 am

I doubt the complain would be useful since CX has tried to fly the PAX to his destination, and tried to arrange hotel for overnight stay, though much time is wasted in the delay. (I will leave the delay part to my travel insurance.) These unfortunate events are really unforeseeable and unpredictable, you wouldn't want to fly a bird that is known to be leaking right? I guess the compensation won't be too high, hey, but who knows if your original ticket is booked in F?

I hope no one would swear not to fly CX again... Its really not their fault and CX is still quite dear to us in term of service right?

Last to ask, would you complain if you were in my situation when a KA 330 2 class config departed in a full load, originally only 1 PAX was booked in J and Y was very much oversold? (All the Marco Polo Club members including me were sitting in Y, because I have seen them in the lounge! Plane was delayed for 1 hour and supposedly those who has the access to the lounge will stay in the lounge. How could the J be filled up later with us all in Y? AND, I was the only Gold member and the rest were Silver. Unless those in front are Diamonds who checks in later...) I guess many would want to file a complaint in this case.. haha

flying MD Oct 11, 2009 3:40 am


Originally Posted by linx823 (Post 12598858)
I doubt the complain would be useful since CX has tried to fly the PAX to his destination, and tried to arrange hotel for overnight stay, though much time is wasted in the delay. (I will leave the delay part to my travel insurance.) These unfortunate events are really unforeseeable and unpredictable, you wouldn't want to fly a bird that is known to be leaking right? I guess the compensation won't be too high, hey, but who knows if your original ticket is booked in F?

I hope no one would swear not to fly CX again... Its really not their fault and CX is still quite dear to us in term of service right?

Last to ask, would you complain if you were in my situation when a KA 330 2 class config departed in a full load, originally only 1 PAX was booked in J and Y was very much oversold? (All the Marco Polo Club members including me were sitting in Y, because I have seen them in the lounge! Plane was delayed for 1 hour and supposedly those who has the access to the lounge will stay in the lounge. How could the J be filled up later with us all in Y? AND, I was the only Gold member and the rest were Silver. Unless those in front are Diamonds who checks in later...) I guess many would want to file a complaint in this case.. haha

it was not only JFK-HKG flight. It was also NRT-HKG flight. They knew perfectly well that they would not be able to depart after 11PM from Narita. This additional confusion/delay could have been cut to minimum, canceling the flight and putting people in the hotel earlier. We did not get to the hotel till 2AM. The Nikko hotel has no restaurants open 24 hrs. No room service. No food since early evening till morning. They announced after the first return to the gate that the dinner would be served shortly and after that we would switch to another aircraft. That did not take place. They completely failed and caused this inconvenience 2/2 their bad management. No doubt about it. They are at fault here and should appropriately compensate passengers.

Dr. HFH Oct 11, 2009 5:07 am


Originally Posted by ChrisLi (Post 12592790)
I think someone should stop saying something without valid proof and / or personal experience. We probabaly have enough of those in CX / HK forum. Different Views are always welcomed but not pure speculation.

+1. If you watch, you'll see that the person who posted this particular fabrication has this problem somewhat regularly.


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