ID requirements for bars
Sep 18, 2015 | 8:58 pm
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ID requirements for bars
I'm a Canadian citizen, and I've been living in California for almost three years. I'm here on an H-1B.
I just went to a bar, and handed over my Ontario (Canada) driver's license. The bouncer asked if I had a passport. I asked if US issued ID would be fine, she said yes, so I handed over my NEXUS card.
She called her manager, who told me they'd make an exception, but for establishments that only serve alcohol, I have to use my passport.
Is there any truth to this? I've never run into an issue anywhere else, ever, and I'm certainly not going to start carrying my passport around everywhere I go.
I just went to a bar, and handed over my Ontario (Canada) driver's license. The bouncer asked if I had a passport. I asked if US issued ID would be fine, she said yes, so I handed over my NEXUS card.
She called her manager, who told me they'd make an exception, but for establishments that only serve alcohol, I have to use my passport.
Is there any truth to this? I've never run into an issue anywhere else, ever, and I'm certainly not going to start carrying my passport around everywhere I go.
Sep 18, 2015 | 9:05 pm
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Remember that the bouncers and waitresses are minimum wage people who could lose their job if they let someone in with fake ID. Not being travelers, the only "travel" ID they are likely to be familiar with is a passport. Even the manager is likely a fairly low level employee who knows only what she's been told, not what the law really is.
If this is the first time in three years you've had any hassles, I'd say you are probably not going get hassled much in the future.
You could just get a California drivers license. I think you are supposed to anyway if you reside here more than a month or two.
If this is the first time in three years you've had any hassles, I'd say you are probably not going get hassled much in the future.
You could just get a California drivers license. I think you are supposed to anyway if you reside here more than a month or two.
Sep 18, 2015 | 9:06 pm
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I've seen this happen before. I have a CA DL so not a problem for me, and 99% of places are ok with foreign picture ID, but I've seen establishments that have recently been audited by the alcohol board suddenly only accept passports or US ID.
I've seen this happen before. I have a CA DL so not a problem for me, and 99% of places are ok with foreign picture ID, but I've seen establishments that have recently been audited by the alcohol board suddenly only accept passports or US ID.
Sep 18, 2015 | 9:08 pm
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I've seen this happen before. I have a CA DL so not a problem for me, and 99% of places are ok with foreign picture ID, but I've seen establishments that have recently been audited by the alcohol board suddenly only accept passports or US ID.
I've seen this happen before. I have a CA DL so not a problem for me, and 99% of places are ok with foreign picture ID, but I've seen establishments that have recently been audited by the alcohol board suddenly only accept passports or US ID.
Sep 18, 2015 | 9:23 pm
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California Business and Professions Code:
It would appear that a driver's license issued by a foreign government is not an acceptable proof of age.
25660.
(a) Bona fide evidence of majority and identity of the
person is any of the following:
agent, demanded, was shown, and acted in reliance upon bona fide
evidence in any transaction, employment, use, or permission forbidden
by Section 25658, 25663, or 25665 shall be a defense to any criminal
prosecution therefor or to any proceedings for the suspension or
revocation of any license based thereon.
(a) Bona fide evidence of majority and identity of the
person is any of the following:
(1) A document issued by a federal, state, county, or municipal
government, or subdivision or agency thereof, including, but not
limited to, a valid motor vehicle operator's license, that contains
the name, date of birth, description, and picture of the person.
(2) A valid passport issued by the United States or by a foreign
government.
(3) A valid identification card issued to a member of the Armed
Forces that includes a date of birth and a picture of the person.
(b) Proof that the defendant-licensee, or his or her employee orgovernment, or subdivision or agency thereof, including, but not
limited to, a valid motor vehicle operator's license, that contains
the name, date of birth, description, and picture of the person.
(2) A valid passport issued by the United States or by a foreign
government.
(3) A valid identification card issued to a member of the Armed
Forces that includes a date of birth and a picture of the person.
agent, demanded, was shown, and acted in reliance upon bona fide
evidence in any transaction, employment, use, or permission forbidden
by Section 25658, 25663, or 25665 shall be a defense to any criminal
prosecution therefor or to any proceedings for the suspension or
revocation of any license based thereon.
Sep 18, 2015 | 10:41 pm
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This is the law:
It would appear that a driver's license issued by a foreign government is not an acceptable proof of age.
It would appear that a driver's license issued by a foreign government is not an acceptable proof of age.
Sep 18, 2015 | 10:44 pm
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Sep 18, 2015 | 10:46 pm
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I fully understand that. However, I don't have one, so I'm not familiar with the identifying information on it. If it's like my Global Entry card, it has a photo, but no physical description, i.e., height, weight and color of eyes and hair. That appears to be a requirement for all documents except for passports and military identifications.
Dec 3, 2015 | 9:38 am
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Weird, I was in New York just recently and went to four such places. Simply showed my Swedish ID card to the entrance guards and they didn't even raise an eyebrow (I had just turned 21). In fact, it was perfectly accepted for all purposes other than entering the country.
Maybe it would've been a different Story in California? I honestly don't know.
Maybe it would've been a different Story in California? I honestly don't know.
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Dec 3, 2015 | 11:15 am
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Weird, I was in New York just recently and went to four such places. Simply showed my Swedish ID card to the entrance guards and they didn't even raise an eyebrow (I had just turned 21). In fact, it was perfectly accepted for all purposes other than entering the country.
Maybe it would've been a different Story in California? I honestly don't know.
Maybe it would've been a different Story in California? I honestly don't know.
Dec 3, 2015 | 1:59 pm
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It's also up to the private business to enforce its own requirements. All the BPC provision does is state the minimum standard which will permit a business to avoid liability in California.
The unfortunate problem, as others point out, is that the people who do the grunt work are minimum (or close to it) workers. Sure Nexus is a USG-issued ID. But, if you want to make it simple, you tell your people State DL or Passport and that's it.
The unfortunate problem, as others point out, is that the people who do the grunt work are minimum (or close to it) workers. Sure Nexus is a USG-issued ID. But, if you want to make it simple, you tell your people State DL or Passport and that's it.
Dec 3, 2015 | 5:51 pm
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Dec 3, 2015 | 6:11 pm
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Does the Nexus card list identifying physical description such as height, weight and color of eyes and hair? Except for passports and US military identifications, that's required to be included on documents presented to prove age and identification by California Business and Professions Code 25660 that I linked above.
My passport doesn't list any of that. And why should it? It has my picture on it...