Was this safe? Was it legal? [empty exit row seats]
Mar 22, 2024, 10:59 am
#17
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There is no requirement to have anyone seated in the exit rows for a US airline. In fact there is no requirement to have a flight attendant or passenger near a main exit door if it has a slide that auto deploys. I doubt the UK is different.
Mar 22, 2024, 11:05 am
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Well you doubt wrongly, self exit rows must have a crew member or passenger seated in the row and that is both sides of the aisle, main exits must have a least one crew member seated next to it or in most cases both doors.
Mar 22, 2024, 11:17 am
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If the passenger load is low and the centre section of the cabin has not been allocated due to aircraft trim requirements or the seat has been blocked due to technical defects, it is not necessary to move passengers to comply with this restriction.
This should have been long worked out (by accessing the PIL) before the aircraft pushed back as the over wing exit briefing needs to be completed before the aircraft pushes.
This should have been long worked out (by accessing the PIL) before the aircraft pushed back as the over wing exit briefing needs to be completed before the aircraft pushes.
Mar 22, 2024, 11:49 am
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As stated above, I am not aware of a need to have a passenger 'manning' an exit row. I'm also Canadian so it may a regional rule.
As a matter of logic, I would think that having untrained passengers 'manning' an exit row increases the risk of failure in case of an emergency. As the Navy Seals say: "Under pressure, you don't rise to the occasion, you sink to your level of training."
I would think that order of preference for opening an emergency exit would be:
As a matter of logic, I would think that having untrained passengers 'manning' an exit row increases the risk of failure in case of an emergency. As the Navy Seals say: "Under pressure, you don't rise to the occasion, you sink to your level of training."
I would think that order of preference for opening an emergency exit would be:
- Crew
- A competent passenger
- The other 95% of the flying public of age.
Mar 22, 2024, 11:53 am
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When we are speak about exit rows being manned we mean the self exit rows, the CAA require a crew member or passenger to be seated in each row on both aisles, other countries may not be as strict.
Mar 22, 2024, 12:17 pm
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See this post where I linked the UK CAA "should be seated" requirement:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/35222298-post1054.html
Mar 22, 2024, 12:52 pm
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Well, the UK is different.
See this post where I linked the UK CAA "should be seated" requirement:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/35222298-post1054.html
See this post where I linked the UK CAA "should be seated" requirement:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/35222298-post1054.html
Doesn't that mean 'not obligatory'?
Mar 22, 2024, 2:14 pm
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Can I ask why this is not picked up by BA computer systems and passengers allocated accordingly at check in to ensure exits are filled to ensure compliance?
Why would it allow the extra pressure to be applied to cabin crew preparing for take off? It is merely because until the last minute the seats are not filled in the hope that someone will pay the additional money?
Why would it allow the extra pressure to be applied to cabin crew preparing for take off? It is merely because until the last minute the seats are not filled in the hope that someone will pay the additional money?
Mar 22, 2024, 2:54 pm
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Mar 22, 2024, 9:42 pm
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I live in the US where this isn't a requirement, but I wouldn't always be willing to move to the exit row. I think I would struggle to lift the plug on some aircraft that have the plug-type exit doors (too heavy). So would I be in violation of crew commands?
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Mar 22, 2024, 10:22 pm
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Not if you're not able bodied enough to fulfill the role. A requirement to sit in an exit row is you have to be able to open the door if needed.
Mar 23, 2024, 3:30 pm
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I’ve been asked to move into an exit row on an SAS flight, so it’s not just a UK thing. I was very happy to have the extra room. They charged extra for these rows and work insists on booking us the cheapest seats, so I couldn’t sit there otherwise.
Rules aside, I can’t see what the big deal is with standing up while taxiing. It’s perfectly normal on buses and trains, and I’ve experienced sharper stops and turns on those than on taxiing aircraft.
Pete
Rules aside, I can’t see what the big deal is with standing up while taxiing. It’s perfectly normal on buses and trains, and I’ve experienced sharper stops and turns on those than on taxiing aircraft.
Pete
Mar 23, 2024, 3:48 pm
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I’ve been asked to move into an exit row on an SAS flight, so it’s not just a UK thing. I was very happy to have the extra room. They charged extra for these rows and work insists on booking us the cheapest seats, so I couldn’t sit there otherwise.
Rules aside, I can’t see what the big deal is with standing up while taxiing. It’s perfectly normal on buses and trains, and I’ve experienced sharper stops and turns on those than on taxiing aircraft.
Pete
Rules aside, I can’t see what the big deal is with standing up while taxiing. It’s perfectly normal on buses and trains, and I’ve experienced sharper stops and turns on those than on taxiing aircraft.
Pete
Mar 23, 2024, 4:29 pm
#30
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I suspect the rule is in place to avoid having corral people to their seats before take off. Strapping everyone in at push back saves time later.