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FAQ : Reason for flight delay or cancellation - 2024 edition
Jan 6, 2024, 2:52 am
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Jan 6, 2024, 4:15 am
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Saturday 6 January 2024 - Feast of the Epiphany / Three Kings Day
They take Día de Reyes very seriously in the Spanish speaking world (and Dia dos Reis in Portuguese speaking countries) however the airport handlers' strike, mentioned yesterday, continues. This leads to the following cancellations.
BA488 BCN = INDN
BA462 MAD = INDN
BA460 MAD = INDN
BA478 BCN = INDN
Departuers from LHR = 289. A long ATC report today, no Regulation at the moment for LHR, just a bit of time in the hold for some.
Landing RWY: 27R
Airborne holding (mins): 6min avg
Departure RWY: 27L
TSAT delay average (mins): 0 mins
Network: EGCC: Poor visibility expected during early morning, possibly requiring a tactical arrival regulation.
ENGM: Low visibility expected during the morning. Possible tactical regulations.
LSAZ: Tactical regulation expected due to snowfall in the morning.
Airspace:
EDGG: Koenig and Dinkelsbuehl sectors regulated due to technical issues (STCA problems). Moderate to high delays predicted.
LECM: Several scenarios applied on the upper Toledo, Zamora and Domingo sectors. Additional tactical measures expected. Pamplona Upper sector
regulated due to ATC Capacity, moderate delays predicted.
LECS: Several scenarios applied to offload Sevilla Upper and SUR sectors. Possible additional regulations will be applied.
EDMM: Several sectors regulated due to Special Event (ICAS2 transition). Moderate to high delays expected, especially on Fuessen sector.
GMMM: North, West and Oceanic sectors with high demand. Tactical regulations expected
Weather: : A cold start with light to gentle NW'ly winds. Cloudy for most of the day with some isolated showers until the evening. Winds turn gentle NNE'ly in the evening. Mostly dry and cloudy overnight, turning cold with a risk of airframe icing.
They take Día de Reyes very seriously in the Spanish speaking world (and Dia dos Reis in Portuguese speaking countries) however the airport handlers' strike, mentioned yesterday, continues. This leads to the following cancellations.
BA488 BCN = INDN
BA462 MAD = INDN
BA460 MAD = INDN
BA478 BCN = INDN
Departuers from LHR = 289. A long ATC report today, no Regulation at the moment for LHR, just a bit of time in the hold for some.
Landing RWY: 27R
Airborne holding (mins): 6min avg
Departure RWY: 27L
TSAT delay average (mins): 0 mins
Network: EGCC: Poor visibility expected during early morning, possibly requiring a tactical arrival regulation.
ENGM: Low visibility expected during the morning. Possible tactical regulations.
LSAZ: Tactical regulation expected due to snowfall in the morning.
Airspace:
EDGG: Koenig and Dinkelsbuehl sectors regulated due to technical issues (STCA problems). Moderate to high delays predicted.
LECM: Several scenarios applied on the upper Toledo, Zamora and Domingo sectors. Additional tactical measures expected. Pamplona Upper sector
regulated due to ATC Capacity, moderate delays predicted.
LECS: Several scenarios applied to offload Sevilla Upper and SUR sectors. Possible additional regulations will be applied.
EDMM: Several sectors regulated due to Special Event (ICAS2 transition). Moderate to high delays expected, especially on Fuessen sector.
GMMM: North, West and Oceanic sectors with high demand. Tactical regulations expected
Weather: : A cold start with light to gentle NW'ly winds. Cloudy for most of the day with some isolated showers until the evening. Winds turn gentle NNE'ly in the evening. Mostly dry and cloudy overnight, turning cold with a risk of airframe icing.
Jan 6, 2024, 3:05 pm
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I am in a minicab on the way back from Heathrow after a long day trying to get back from Innsbruck with the family.
We were meant to be flying from Innsbruck to LHR on BA685 at 12:30. Once we arrived at the airport we were told it was two hours late, then four hours late and then that it had been cancelled. We were eventually put on a bus to Munich and landed back at LHR at 20:00. The pilot claimed that it was down to a weather problem and that they had not been allowed to land at Innsbrunk by air traffic control for unspecified weather problems.
Fair enough and something we just have to swallow. But looking at FlightRadar24 I can see the plane (G-TTNS) was meant to be flying as BA684 at 8:25 from LHR to Innsbrunk but was cancelled and then flew from London to Munich at 13:02 (having been scheduled at 11:55) which suggests that it might never have attempted to land at Innsbruck as the flight time was 1:23 and that would not have given the time for them to attempt to land at Innsbruck, be refused and turn back to Munich.
My suspicious mind would suggest that BA did not have a suitably trained pilot to land at Innsbruck which is a Category C airport and therefore cancelled the flight out of London this morning.
Is there any way of proving this either way, please? Anything you can find would be hugely appreciated.
We were meant to be flying from Innsbruck to LHR on BA685 at 12:30. Once we arrived at the airport we were told it was two hours late, then four hours late and then that it had been cancelled. We were eventually put on a bus to Munich and landed back at LHR at 20:00. The pilot claimed that it was down to a weather problem and that they had not been allowed to land at Innsbrunk by air traffic control for unspecified weather problems.
Fair enough and something we just have to swallow. But looking at FlightRadar24 I can see the plane (G-TTNS) was meant to be flying as BA684 at 8:25 from LHR to Innsbrunk but was cancelled and then flew from London to Munich at 13:02 (having been scheduled at 11:55) which suggests that it might never have attempted to land at Innsbruck as the flight time was 1:23 and that would not have given the time for them to attempt to land at Innsbruck, be refused and turn back to Munich.
My suspicious mind would suggest that BA did not have a suitably trained pilot to land at Innsbruck which is a Category C airport and therefore cancelled the flight out of London this morning.
Is there any way of proving this either way, please? Anything you can find would be hugely appreciated.
Jan 7, 2024, 4:41 am
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welcome to FT joess83
Looking at the weather at Innsbruck yesterday it doesn't seem very good - it is a tricky airport and requires better levels of visibility that most other airports. Quite a few flights for other operators were also cancelled or diverted. If as they are getting close to INN the weather is well below minimums they wouldn't bother trying an approach at all tbh - it is not the sort of place you have ago and hope it works out in your favour. So I am afraid it does look like they set off to INN, but diverted before making an approach due to the weather. So it seems compensation may not be due, but duty of care will still be payable.
Looking at the weather at Innsbruck yesterday it doesn't seem very good - it is a tricky airport and requires better levels of visibility that most other airports. Quite a few flights for other operators were also cancelled or diverted. If as they are getting close to INN the weather is well below minimums they wouldn't bother trying an approach at all tbh - it is not the sort of place you have ago and hope it works out in your favour. So I am afraid it does look like they set off to INN, but diverted before making an approach due to the weather. So it seems compensation may not be due, but duty of care will still be payable.
Jan 7, 2024, 5:02 am
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Sunday 7 January 2024 - Baptism of Christ
The holiday period in Spain is still marked by strikes by airport ground handlers. See my Friday entry for more background.
BA488 BCN= INDN
BA464 MAD= INDN
BA480 BCN= INDN
BA466 MAD= INDN
BA478 BCN = INDN
and as noted above, a late late cancel on yesterday Saturday:
BA686 INN - diverted to MUC
Today there will be 314 BA departures from LHR. I've gone through LHR just now and it seems to be working OK in the chilly conditions. There is a wintry showers / snow warning out for LHR, more for tomorrow Monday. The ATC report is as follows:
Landing RWY: 09L
Airborne holding (mins): 14 (TEAM approved until 0800)
Departure RWY: 09R
TSAT delay average (mins): 0
Network: Snow in Vienna generating moderate delays, some moderate delays through Germany due staffing and ATC equipment
Weather: Risk of airframe icing until 1100 and again at 1600. Remaining Easterlies all day
The holiday period in Spain is still marked by strikes by airport ground handlers. See my Friday entry for more background.
BA488 BCN= INDN
BA464 MAD= INDN
BA480 BCN= INDN
BA466 MAD= INDN
BA478 BCN = INDN
and as noted above, a late late cancel on yesterday Saturday:
BA686 INN - diverted to MUC
Today there will be 314 BA departures from LHR. I've gone through LHR just now and it seems to be working OK in the chilly conditions. There is a wintry showers / snow warning out for LHR, more for tomorrow Monday. The ATC report is as follows:
Landing RWY: 09L
Airborne holding (mins): 14 (TEAM approved until 0800)
Departure RWY: 09R
TSAT delay average (mins): 0
Network: Snow in Vienna generating moderate delays, some moderate delays through Germany due staffing and ATC equipment
Weather: Risk of airframe icing until 1100 and again at 1600. Remaining Easterlies all day
Jan 7, 2024, 6:52 am
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BA229 LHR-BWI delayed approx 2 hours due to late incoming flight from Houston (so back to normal then!).
Thought of snow at LHR tomorrow... uhm... having come in from Oslo 25 mins early with temps there about -25C... .
Thought of snow at LHR tomorrow... uhm... having come in from Oslo 25 mins early with temps there about -25C... .
Jan 7, 2024, 11:16 pm
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Ba16 (SIN-LHR) G-STBJ stuck in Singapore? 7 Jan 2024
Does anyone know what happened on the 7th Jan. the plane arrived back from Sydney but never took off to London. Now it shows delayed by 2 days and arriving back to LHR on the 9th?
Last edited by Krisz; Jan 8, 2024 at 4:53 am
Jan 8, 2024, 3:42 am
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Monday 8 January 2024
The airport strikes in Spain continue with some more cancellations for BA (and IB).
BA488 BCN = INDN
BA462 MAD = INDN
BA460 MAD = INDN
BA474 BCN = INDN
BA478 BCN = INDN
BA189 EWR
And I think I missed from Sunday this late on the day cancellation for 7 January, which since they appear to have boarded I presume is technical
BA1422 BHD
This gives for Monday 319 BA departures from LHR.
There is a meaty winter weather warning out from HAL, it's been repeated several times now which serves to stoke anxiety.
Latest Forecast: Isolated wintry showers are possible from the east on Monday morning through the afternoon and evening, easing after 22Z. There is a 30% risk that isolated snow showers reaching the airfield 10-13Z, which increases to 40% of occasional showers 13Z-20Z. Most of these showers should be light in intensity with no accumulations and blowing through quickly on a moderate NE'ly breeze. However, there is a low risk the odd shower could turn moderate to give a risk of slight temporary accumulations less than 0.5cm, predominantly on grassy surfaces. With surface temperatures slightly above zero. any negligible accumulations should melt quickly.
We will be activating our robust Landside and Airside snow response plans to keep the airport operating and both our colleagues and passengers safe. Overnight our Airfield Operations team have treated the manoeuvring area in preparation for any snowfall today.
Then the ATC report is
Landing RWY: 09L
Airborne holding (mins): 2moins avg
Departure RWY: 09R
TSAT delay average (mins): 0 mins
Network: UK - Risk of snow showers increased to 40%. Arrival Regulation applied at 42/60 0620-1800z. Europe - 47 regulations currently active across the network. LPPT (Lisbon) Arrivals regulated due to Weather (LVP).High delays
LSZH (Zurich) Arrivals regulated due to Weather (Wind direction). Moderate to high delays. Airspace EDGG (Langen) Several sectors regulated due to ATC Equipment. Moderate to high delays.
Weather: A bright and cold start with a risk of airframe icing throughout the day and into the night. Gentle to moderate NNE'ly winds. Cloud will develop during the day and there is a 30% risk of catching a light to moderate snow shower from the east. Accumulations are expected to be nil, however, should we catch a moderate shower in the evening then a brief, slight accumulation is possible <0.5cm before melting.
The airport strikes in Spain continue with some more cancellations for BA (and IB).
BA488 BCN = INDN
BA462 MAD = INDN
BA460 MAD = INDN
BA474 BCN = INDN
BA478 BCN = INDN
BA189 EWR
And I think I missed from Sunday this late on the day cancellation for 7 January, which since they appear to have boarded I presume is technical
BA1422 BHD
This gives for Monday 319 BA departures from LHR.
There is a meaty winter weather warning out from HAL, it's been repeated several times now which serves to stoke anxiety.
Latest Forecast: Isolated wintry showers are possible from the east on Monday morning through the afternoon and evening, easing after 22Z. There is a 30% risk that isolated snow showers reaching the airfield 10-13Z, which increases to 40% of occasional showers 13Z-20Z. Most of these showers should be light in intensity with no accumulations and blowing through quickly on a moderate NE'ly breeze. However, there is a low risk the odd shower could turn moderate to give a risk of slight temporary accumulations less than 0.5cm, predominantly on grassy surfaces. With surface temperatures slightly above zero. any negligible accumulations should melt quickly.
We will be activating our robust Landside and Airside snow response plans to keep the airport operating and both our colleagues and passengers safe. Overnight our Airfield Operations team have treated the manoeuvring area in preparation for any snowfall today.
Then the ATC report is
Landing RWY: 09L
Airborne holding (mins): 2moins avg
Departure RWY: 09R
TSAT delay average (mins): 0 mins
Network: UK - Risk of snow showers increased to 40%. Arrival Regulation applied at 42/60 0620-1800z. Europe - 47 regulations currently active across the network. LPPT (Lisbon) Arrivals regulated due to Weather (LVP).High delays
LSZH (Zurich) Arrivals regulated due to Weather (Wind direction). Moderate to high delays. Airspace EDGG (Langen) Several sectors regulated due to ATC Equipment. Moderate to high delays.
Weather: A bright and cold start with a risk of airframe icing throughout the day and into the night. Gentle to moderate NNE'ly winds. Cloud will develop during the day and there is a 30% risk of catching a light to moderate snow shower from the east. Accumulations are expected to be nil, however, should we catch a moderate shower in the evening then a brief, slight accumulation is possible <0.5cm before melting.
Jan 8, 2024, 4:56 am
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I checked Flightradar but not even a new plane coming to SIN for replacement. or the current BA15 has some parts? I'm just guessing the G-STBJ has some issues as it still in Singapore.
Jan 8, 2024, 5:17 am
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I am in a minicab on the way back from Heathrow after a long day trying to get back from Innsbruck with the family.
We were meant to be flying from Innsbruck to LHR on BA685 at 12:30. Once we arrived at the airport we were told it was two hours late, then four hours late and then that it had been cancelled. We were eventually put on a bus to Munich and landed back at LHR at 20:00. The pilot claimed that it was down to a weather problem and that they had not been allowed to land at Innsbrunk by air traffic control for unspecified weather problems.
Fair enough and something we just have to swallow. But looking at FlightRadar24 I can see the plane (G-TTNS) was meant to be flying as BA684 at 8:25 from LHR to Innsbrunk but was cancelled and then flew from London to Munich at 13:02 (having been scheduled at 11:55) which suggests that it might never have attempted to land at Innsbruck as the flight time was 1:23 and that would not have given the time for them to attempt to land at Innsbruck, be refused and turn back to Munich.
My suspicious mind would suggest that BA did not have a suitably trained pilot to land at Innsbruck which is a Category C airport and therefore cancelled the flight out of London this morning.
Is there any way of proving this either way, please? Anything you can find would be hugely appreciated.
We were meant to be flying from Innsbruck to LHR on BA685 at 12:30. Once we arrived at the airport we were told it was two hours late, then four hours late and then that it had been cancelled. We were eventually put on a bus to Munich and landed back at LHR at 20:00. The pilot claimed that it was down to a weather problem and that they had not been allowed to land at Innsbrunk by air traffic control for unspecified weather problems.
Fair enough and something we just have to swallow. But looking at FlightRadar24 I can see the plane (G-TTNS) was meant to be flying as BA684 at 8:25 from LHR to Innsbrunk but was cancelled and then flew from London to Munich at 13:02 (having been scheduled at 11:55) which suggests that it might never have attempted to land at Innsbruck as the flight time was 1:23 and that would not have given the time for them to attempt to land at Innsbruck, be refused and turn back to Munich.
My suspicious mind would suggest that BA did not have a suitably trained pilot to land at Innsbruck which is a Category C airport and therefore cancelled the flight out of London this morning.
Is there any way of proving this either way, please? Anything you can find would be hugely appreciated.
welcome to FT joess83
Looking at the weather at Innsbruck yesterday it doesn't seem very good - it is a tricky airport and requires better levels of visibility that most other airports. Quite a few flights for other operators were also cancelled or diverted. If as they are getting close to INN the weather is well below minimums they wouldn't bother trying an approach at all tbh - it is not the sort of place you have ago and hope it works out in your favour. So I am afraid it does look like they set off to INN, but diverted before making an approach due to the weather. So it seems compensation may not be due, but duty of care will still be payable.
Looking at the weather at Innsbruck yesterday it doesn't seem very good - it is a tricky airport and requires better levels of visibility that most other airports. Quite a few flights for other operators were also cancelled or diverted. If as they are getting close to INN the weather is well below minimums they wouldn't bother trying an approach at all tbh - it is not the sort of place you have ago and hope it works out in your favour. So I am afraid it does look like they set off to INN, but diverted before making an approach due to the weather. So it seems compensation may not be due, but duty of care will still be payable.
The flight would have been cancelled outright if there were no INN trained and current pilots available.
Compensation will not be due here.
Jan 8, 2024, 5:19 am
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Jan 8, 2024, 5:20 am
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