BA loading APD into fees for starting in DUB ?
Oct 31, 2023, 3:46 pm
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BA loading APD into fees for starting in DUB ?
Was doing some random redemption flights checks today, and starting in DUB results in the same cash payment as starting LHR.
LHR-LAX ret in biz in Oct comes in at 180K +£450
DUB-LHR-LAX ret in biz same dates same LHR-LAX-LHR flights comes in at 210K +£451
I was expecting a £150-£200 of reduction due to no UK APD, but that's not the case.
I note that both booking pages shows fees&charges as £0
LHR-LAX ret in biz in Oct comes in at 180K +£450
DUB-LHR-LAX ret in biz same dates same LHR-LAX-LHR flights comes in at 210K +£451
I was expecting a £150-£200 of reduction due to no UK APD, but that's not the case.
I note that both booking pages shows fees&charges as £0
Oct 31, 2023, 3:50 pm
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They’ve also used the full RFS redemption rates for the DUB-LHR-DUB sectors (30,000 Avios) which normally only has a taxes portion of 1 Euro. This is the result of the previous redemption changes so making a trial permanent.
My advice would be to redeem in F, for which there is no RFS and normal taxes, fees and charges will apply for almost the same Avios as J.
My advice would be to redeem in F, for which there is no RFS and normal taxes, fees and charges will apply for almost the same Avios as J.
Oct 31, 2023, 4:18 pm
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Oct 31, 2023, 6:59 pm
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Also their poorly trained phone agents refer to the fees as taxes (I was quoted $750 odd “taxes” from USA to LHR on an Avios redemption. That is illegal. But BA continues to pursue these business practices.
Oct 31, 2023, 7:28 pm
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As noted, for RFS in J now there is no figure which is taxes + fees + charges. It is simply a number of price points with varying amounts of avios and cash required.
For cash fares, then yes APD would not be charged for exDUB.
For cash fares, then yes APD would not be charged for exDUB.
Nov 1, 2023, 4:27 am
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They’ve also used the full RFS redemption rates for the DUB-LHR-DUB sectors (30,000 Avios) which normally only has a taxes portion of 1 Euro. This is the result of the previous redemption changes so making a trial permanent.
My advice would be to redeem in F, for which there is no RFS and normal taxes, fees and charges will apply for almost the same Avios as J.
My advice would be to redeem in F, for which there is no RFS and normal taxes, fees and charges will apply for almost the same Avios as J.
Last edited by tangey; Nov 1, 2023 at 4:38 am
Nov 1, 2023, 6:24 am
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An IE departure means that BA has to pay both DUB and LHR airport fees. This might also be reflected in the price.
Nov 1, 2023, 6:27 am
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Nov 1, 2023, 6:38 am
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There are reasons to like the new reward pricing system and reasons to dislike it. But it's hard to dispute that:
- The new system gives more options to people ---> good outcome
- The new system makes long-haul Y viable as an option, whereas before you might as well pay cash --> good outcome
Nov 1, 2023, 6:43 am
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This is one of the consequences of the new system as I noted above. For RFS J the cash figure is no longer a sum of all taxes + fees + charges. They merely offer a number of price points, one of which may correspond to the old band rate in terms of avios.
Obviously what this means now it is applied for an exDUB they do not have to reduce the cash amounts from those price points.
Obviously what this means now it is applied for an exDUB they do not have to reduce the cash amounts from those price points.
Last edited by KARFA; Nov 1, 2023 at 8:41 am
Nov 1, 2023, 7:25 am
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there is no increase in APD going from WT+ to CW (not that there would be any APD on a exDUB cash fare). You are already in the higher APD rate in WT+.