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BA loading APD into fees for starting in DUB ?

Old Oct 31, 2023, 4:46 pm
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BA loading APD into fees for starting in DUB ?

Was doing some random redemption flights checks today, and starting in DUB results in the same cash payment as starting LHR.

LHR-LAX ret in biz in Oct comes in at 180K +450

DUB-LHR-LAX ret in biz same dates same LHR-LAX-LHR flights comes in at 210K +451

I was expecting a 150-200 of reduction due to no UK APD, but that's not the case.

I note that both booking pages shows fees&charges as 0
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Old Oct 31, 2023, 4:50 pm
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They’ve also used the full RFS redemption rates for the DUB-LHR-DUB sectors (30,000 Avios) which normally only has a taxes portion of 1 Euro. This is the result of the previous redemption changes so making a trial permanent.

My advice would be to redeem in F, for which there is no RFS and normal taxes, fees and charges will apply for almost the same Avios as J.
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Old Oct 31, 2023, 4:56 pm
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On a cash fare, it’s just lumped into €400 “Carrier imposed charge”
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Old Oct 31, 2023, 5:06 pm
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Surely charging APD for non APD connections is illegal, no?
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Old Oct 31, 2023, 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by carrotjuice
Surely charging APD for non APD connections is illegal, no?
They can charge what they like for fees / surcharges. If its specifically listed as APD thats another matter.
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Old Oct 31, 2023, 5:53 pm
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Originally Posted by mikeyfly
They can charge what they like for fees / surcharges. If its specifically listed as APD thats another matter.
Very sneaky. Isn't there some consumer watchdog or Better Business Bureau that UK members can complain to?
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Old Oct 31, 2023, 7:59 pm
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Originally Posted by carrotjuice
Very sneaky. Isn't there some consumer watchdog or Better Business Bureau that UK members can complain to?
Also their poorly trained phone agents refer to the fees as taxes (I was quoted $750 odd taxes from USA to LHR on an Avios redemption. That is illegal. But BA continues to pursue these business practices.
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Old Oct 31, 2023, 8:28 pm
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As noted, for RFS in J now there is no figure which is taxes + fees + charges. It is simply a number of price points with varying amounts of avios and cash required.

For cash fares, then yes APD would not be charged for exDUB.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by Tafflyer
They’ve also used the full RFS redemption rates for the DUB-LHR-DUB sectors (30,000 Avios) which normally only has a taxes portion of 1 Euro. This is the result of the previous redemption changes so making a trial permanent.

My advice would be to redeem in F, for which there is no RFS and normal taxes, fees and charges will apply for almost the same Avios as J.
Yes the DUB-LHR segments are being charged at full avios +1, however the main issue is charging the exact same cash as a U K departure, they are pocketing the UK APD by moving it from a gov fee to a surcharge. It's quite the cash grab.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by tangey
Yes the DUB-LHR segments are being charged at full avios +1, however the main issue is charging the exact same cash as a U K departure, they are pocketing the UK APD by moving it from a gov fee to a surcharge. It's quite the cash grab.
If the authorities charge a tax, such as the APD, it is normal that the merchant's fare is adjusted so that the tax is partially paid by the merchant and partially by the consumer. I suggest that you look up tax incidence.

An IE departure means that BA has to pay both DUB and LHR airport fees. This might also be reflected in the price.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by Im a new user
An IE departure means that BA has to pay both DUB and LHR airport fees. This might also be reflected in the price.
The issue isn't the airport fees, but the APD. BA are seeming charging APD as part of a "surcharge".
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 7:38 am
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Originally Posted by tangey
Yes the DUB-LHR segments are being charged at full avios +1, however the main issue is charging the exact same cash as a U K departure, they are pocketing the UK APD by moving it from a gov fee to a surcharge. It's quite the cash grab.
Except when BA charges Avios + 1 from any departure point in the world, they are paying the government / airport taxes out of their own pocket. Hardly a cash grab is it?

There are reasons to like the new reward pricing system and reasons to dislike it. But it's hard to dispute that:
  1. The new system gives more options to people ---> good outcome
  2. The new system makes long-haul Y viable as an option, whereas before you might as well pay cash --> good outcome
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 7:43 am
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This is one of the consequences of the new system as I noted above. For RFS J the cash figure is no longer a sum of all taxes + fees + charges. They merely offer a number of price points, one of which may correspond to the old band rate in terms of avios.

Obviously what this means now it is applied for an exDUB they do not have to reduce the cash amounts from those price points.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 8:08 am
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What does this mean if youve booked a WT+ ex DUB and use avios to upgrade? Previously there was no APD applied, is there now?
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by andymcdonnell
What does this mean if youve booked a WT+ ex DUB and use avios to upgrade? Previously there was no APD applied, is there now?
so book WT+ as a cash fare and UuA? yes you would pay the extra and that will be carrier surcharge.

there is no increase in APD going from WT+ to CW (not that there would be any APD on a exDUB cash fare). You are already in the higher APD rate in WT+.
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