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Old Jun 7, 2022, 5:44 am
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I have a lot of sympathy but I do agree with the comments here.

It’s very possible it was a panic attack as the symptoms are very similar. It’s also possible that there were some crumbs or the like on her seat.

However, for a passenger to refuse to follow such a simple instruction makes me think they’re quite an awful person.

It does make me laugh when you get the message not to eat nuts, which I have had on my last three flights, when the menu in Club or First is laden with them. I avoid nuts because of a histamine problem, so no concern of a serious reaction, but even I find it a bit tricky sometimes when half the meals and most desserts are nut-heavy. You wonder why they still bother.

Has anyone ever travelled in a premium cabin and the menu had nut products removed?
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 6:13 am
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These sort of threads always bring the best out in our FT brethren. Ok, I’m not going to get into a discussion over peanuts, or any other kind of nuts. I’m insufficiently knowledgeable or interested. My comment is that the airlines in general, and BA in particular should not be handing out packets of nuts, it is time to switch to the soft of aperitif fodder available in any French supermarket. I’m very much a live and let live person. I would no more bring nuts aboard than fly the aircraft myself, but were I to do so, I would not eat them if asked not to.

That said, how you stop someone if you don’t actually spot them is questionable.
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 6:50 am
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Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE
These sort of threads always bring the best out in our FT brethren. Ok, I’m not going to get into a discussion over peanuts, or any other kind of nuts. I’m insufficiently knowledgeable or interested. My comment is that the airlines in general, and BA in particular should not be handing out packets of nuts, it is time to switch to the soft of aperitif fodder available in any French supermarket. I’m very much a live and let live person. I would no more bring nuts aboard than fly the aircraft myself, but were I to do so, I would not eat them if asked not to.

That said, how you stop someone if you don’t actually spot them is questionable.
Yes indeed. I'm not a nut fan anyway so it wouldn't bother me if they completely banned them on board. Would far rather have a bag of cheese puffs.
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 7:02 am
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Originally Posted by Bongodog1964
How would you even see someone 10 rows in front eating peanuts, damn good vision to see 25 feet away and through headrests etc. When I'm on a plane it's hard to even see the row in front. There is zero evidence that airborne peanut dust can cause anaphylaxis even on the US medical sites. I suspect this was a panic attack brought by the mother's constant fretting.
I don't necessarily disagree. But regardless if cabin crew ask you to not eat nuts onboard you should comply even if you don't think it is a threat to someone with an allergy 10 rows away.
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 7:45 am
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Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE
These sort of threads always bring the best out in our FT brethren.
These sort of threads always bring the nuts out in our FT brethren.
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by Haagen Daz
But it will protect you from the Covids!
It wasn’t mentioned in the article that she was wearing a mask, let alone type.
However, if she’s not going to wear one, knowing that she’s so highly irritated, then I have no sympathy.
We’ve spent the last 2 years mask wearing. The least she and her mother can do is to protect themselves.
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 10:27 am
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The poor sausage, she must collapse from Anaphylaxis every single day. Or her family are just very aggrieved they didn’t get club for free. Sadly in a post mask mandate world the sunflower lanyards can no longer be abused so I guess peanuts and panic attacks for compo it is. Perhaps this is the summer of “Gimme Club or I sue!! Aaand I’ll ‘av ya job luv’!!” Perhaps an unintended consequence of covid-19 handling by those in a position of party…I mean power, is further installing a false perception of self-importance and a ‘rights’ to demand restrictions on other’s behaviour to serve the ‘victim’s’ needs. I feel we are now at a point that airlines need to impose conditions that those with allergies are required to notify the airline at point of booking, perhaps it’s just me but a few holidays and travels to see friends and family abroad of late have all seemingly had those who’s needs trump that of all the other fare paying passengers onboard of late. I just don’t remember anything other that the occasional once in a while “due to a passage her with a severe allergy to XYZ…” announcements. On 5 recent round trips, 3 have had that announcement across a small spectrum of airlines. Prior to the past few years it would be once in a while, perhaps 2 flights per year. Again, I might just be shear coincidence and poor fortune.


I have zero sympathy in case you hadn’t already noticed, the purpose of this rag’s story is as clear as the koh-i-noor to me.
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 10:33 am
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https://www.peanutsusa.com/industry-...and-facts.html

Two big stories about serious allergic reactions allegedly due to nuts being consumed on airplanes had widespread British media coverage during August and were picked up by worldwide media. This stoked up the familiar myths and real fears about anaphylaxis occurring at 30 thousand feet. There was plenty of speculation about what had really happened on board, the risks of eating nuts in confined spaces, who was responsible and what should happen to avoid this in the future. Coincidentally, information also appeared at the same time from very reliable sources to counter the biggest myths with facts. This article highlights this factual evidence about nuts on planes because it specifically addresses the myths and fears many have about nut snacks on planes and puts the risks of allergic reactions occurring because of snacking on nuts during flight into perspective.

From the standpoint of potential risks of opening and consuming a bag of snack nuts in the confined space of an airline cabin, the news story of most interest occurred in mid-August as a family was traveling on a UK budget airline from a holiday in Spain. A 4-year-old old girl with a known peanut allergy was on board. Her parents alerted the cabin crew in advance, and they made an announcement asking passengers not to open or consume any nut snacks they had brought on board. The airline did not distribute any bagged nut snacks. Nonetheless, the girl’s mother reported that about 20 minutes after the announcement, her daughter began to show signs of swelling around her face and had throat constriction and increasing difficulty breathing, eventually losing consciousness. The mother had an adrenaline (epinephrine) auto-injector, which was administered by a paramedic passenger. Afterwards, the little girl regained consciousness and was stable enough for the plane to continue to London, where she was given medical assistance.

The media handling of the story when it broke in the tabloid Mail on Sunday newspaper and online was interesting, if predictable. All reporting focused on the “selfish passenger” sitting four rows in front of the family who had thoughtlessly endangered the child’s life by failing to heed requests not to open and consume a package of nuts – said later to be “mixed nuts” – when asked to do so. The media reported that his actions had obviously caused her potentially fatal allergy attack. The airline later banned the nut-eating passenger for two years, but no further action was taken (1).

The scenario sounds simple enough, but was it? Something serious did happen to this child mid-flight, and contact with nuts in some way seems to have been involved. Some media morphed the bag of “mixed nuts” into “peanuts” in their reports, simply because the child was reported to have a peanut allergy. In fact, there is no evidence that the “mixed nuts” included any peanuts at all. Very quickly, however, the “nuts on planes” myth machine was in high gear, not helped by a prominent UK allergy organisation commenting on the incident on its website that, “Airborne particles from nuts have the potential to kill those who are allergic to them. These particles are even more readily inhaled from the recycled conditioned air in an aircraft.” That certainly sounds pretty frightening. But is it true?

Just at the height of the media wave (the main tabloid story attracted 2,730 comments), a voice of sense and reason from Dr. Matthew Greenhawt (paediatric allergist at the University of Michigan) was heard from the allergic consumer magazine Allergic Living (2). He began by tackling the thorny question: With a food allergy to peanuts or tree nuts, is it likely for an allergic reaction to occur from one person opening a bag of nuts on a plane, four rows ahead?

The expert’s short answer is that “it is highly unlikely for a passenger to inhale nut protein from someone consuming nuts a few rows in front of him/her. There is no evidence that has been able to show that such dust circulates.” Five studies in the past 10 years had investigated this question and found favourable conclusions, which should reassure any airline passenger with a nut allergy. Briefly, they are:

• close (12 inches) exposure to inhaling peanut butter aroma produced no reactions in severely peanut allergic people. Smelling peanuts may make concerned passengers uncomfortable, but there are no active proteins involved in breathing in the aroma of re-heated or pre-roasted nuts;
• peanut particles (dust) could not be detected in the air from stomping on peanuts on the floor or from opening an airline-style bag;
• peanut dust and peanut butter residues are both easily cleaned from hands and surfaces using soap and warm water or hand cleansers (but hand sanitizers and plain water do not work);
• inhaling (thereby ingesting) a dose of an airborne allergen is very unlikely on an airplane because there is little “recirculation”, and commercial jets are required to frequently refresh the cabin air and subject it to HEPA filtration. There is no evidence to show that peanut or tree nut residue circulates in the air, as opposed to it quickly settling on surfaces.

The widespread and often repeated belief about dangerous particles becoming airborne from opened nut packets (known as aerosolization) is a myth. However, that is not the end of the story, for Dr. Greenhawt cautioned that the problem such as the little girl experienced coming from Spain back to London could be from nut allergens in peanut or tree nut dust and residues that may accumulate on surfaces such as tray tables, seats, carpets and surrounding areas. A nut allergic person – such as a small child - could potentially touch a surface that had not been wiped down first and theoretically ingest some level of allergen, thus presenting far more risk than nut particles, if they even get into the air, being inhaled. Wiping down seats and tray tables first may be a way of countering this theoretical risk of unintentional and unnoticed ingestion. Of course, regular and thorough cleaning of airline interiors is an obvious answer, but with high volume, quick turnaround budget flying, that is not going to happen easily.

Another positive and reassuring feature on the nuts on planes issue appeared shortly after Dr. Greenhawt’s, this time by Dr. David Stukus, allergist at Nationwide Children’s Hospital in Columbus, Ohio (3). Writing on a well-known allergy website “Don’t Pass the Nuts” ™, Dr. Stukus answered a wide range of questions, including the one about nut encounters on planes. Pointing to many reports of in-flight reactions, with anaphylaxis occurring in up to 1/3 of all reactions, Dr. Stukus said the evidence was that these were “not believed to be due to airborne food allergen, but from contact with seats, pillows, seat trays, etc. The universal theme with almost all cases of reported anaphylaxis is lack of use of epinephrine, either due to no availability or improper recognition/treatment.” Dr. Stukus gave this good advice to allergic travelers: “The focus should be on preparation and awareness rather than fear of risk from unlikely sources of contact. However, there are a few steps passengers can take to help mitigate risk, including wiping the tray table with a cleaning cloth and avoiding use of airline-supplied pillows and blankets.”

The evidence about the perceived risks of eating nuts on planes has been clearly presented by Drs. Greenhawt and Stukus writing in well-known allergy consumer publications. However, the comments of nut allergic individuals following their articles show that many simply do not believe the evidence and are very ready to offer contrary and passionate views based on personal or family experiences of nut reactions while on airplanes. Just presenting the facts isn’t going to make this opinion go away. There is currently an online petition on the U.S. website “No Nut Traveler” calling for a Bill of Rights for Food Allergic Children/Adult Passengers which has attracted thousands of supporters and growing media attention (4). Citing the policy of Air Canada, the petition asks that once cabin crew are informed that a nut allergic person is traveling, “the crew create a buffer zone at least three rows in front and three rows behind the allergic person. The crew members should ask customers seated in the buffer zone to refrain from consuming any nut-containing products that they have brought onboard, and the crew will not serve any nut-containing products to these rows.” Whether this petition will have political clout and result in regulations remains to be seen.

Nothing in this article is meant to denigrate the concerns of people and families affected by serious nut allergies. Quite the opposite. At the moment, the evidence and expert clinical opinion based on it all point to very low to negligible risks from fellow passengers opening packets and consuming nuts on airplanes. Where large groups of people, such as airline passengers, are concerned, the question of rights versus risks has to be carefully negotiated and balanced. Simply repeating myths about the supposed dangers of inhaling nut particles or the aroma of nuts on airplanes is part of the problem and does not help find the solution.

You can see APC London’s tweets on this story and its media consequences @USA_peanuts_UK

1. http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/a...uts-board.html

2. http://allergicliving.com/2014/08/21...e-incidents/1/ based on data in Greenhawt M et al 2013. “International study of risk-mitigating factors and in-flight allergic reactions to peanut and tree nut”. J Allergy Clin Immunol: In Practice 1:186-94. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24565458/

3. Food Allergy Counseling: Interview with Dr Dave Stukus, Food Allergy & Casual Contact

4. No Nut Traveler | Flying with food allergies and more and http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/...nes-for-change
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 11:37 am
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My first thought exactly!
would you put the Daily Telegraph in the same pot as the Mail?
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 11:40 am
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The poor sausage, she must collapse from Anaphylaxis every single day. Or her family are just very aggrieved they didn’t get club for free. Sadly in a post mask mandate world the sunflower lanyards can no longer be abused so I guess peanuts and panic attacks for compo it is. Perhaps this is the summer of “Gimme Club or I sue!! Aaand I’ll ‘av ya job luv’!!” Perhaps an unintended consequence of covid-19 handling by those in a position of party…I mean power, is further installing a false perception of self-importance and a ‘rights’ to demand restrictions on other’s behaviour to serve the ‘victim’s’ needs. I feel we are now at a point that airlines need to impose conditions that those with allergies are required to notify the airline at point of booking, perhaps it’s just me but a few holidays and travels to see friends and family abroad of late have all seemingly had those who’s needs trump that of all the other fare paying passengers onboard of late. I just don’t remember anything other that the occasional once in a while “due to a passage her with a severe allergy to XYZ…” announcements. On 5 recent round trips, 3 have had that announcement across a small spectrum of airlines. Prior to the past few years it would be once in a while, perhaps 2 flights per year. Again, I might just be shear coincidence and poor fortune.


I have zero sympathy in case you hadn’t already noticed, the purpose of this rag’s story is as clear as the koh-i-noor to me.
What a sad post.
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Old Jun 7, 2022, 11:56 am
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Originally Posted by Yeoman5
would you put the Daily Telegraph in the same pot as the Mail?
Not entirely but they have gone downhill as has most “journalism” recently. I saw this in the Telegraph correctly attributed to the Mail and just quoting verbatim from the Mail. I cannot see the point of that other than stealing a few clicks.
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Old Jun 8, 2022, 2:46 am
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wow there's some hilarious posts here, I think we've really managed to scrape the bottom of peoples intelligence in a lot of cases.

"wow she must have amazing eyes to see 10 rows away" -er, maybe she or her mother saw on the way to the toilet? maybe the crew saw? sheesh
"nice try to get an upgrade chancer" -er, there are a few sections in economy on longhaul flights, perhaps they meant that
"there's been 5 studies showing nuts arent a problem in X number of years!!" -ok, is that 5 out of 5 studies, 5 out of 50 studies? without a qualifier thats kinda meaningless

anyway, I didnt realise there were so many people around with peanut addictions. Must be horrible being unable to go without eating nuts for more then a few hours.
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Old Jun 8, 2022, 3:01 am
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Originally Posted by aceman
Must be horrible being unable to go without eating nuts for more then a few hours.
I can think of worse things to have in one's mouth
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Old Jun 8, 2022, 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by aceman
wow there's some hilarious posts here, I think we've really managed to scrape the bottom of peoples intelligence in a lot of cases.

"wow she must have amazing eyes to see 10 rows away" -er, maybe she or her mother saw on the way to the toilet? maybe the crew saw? sheesh
"nice try to get an upgrade chancer" -er, there are a few sections in economy on longhaul flights, perhaps they meant that
"there's been 5 studies showing nuts arent a problem in X number of years!!" -ok, is that 5 out of 5 studies, 5 out of 50 studies? without a qualifier thats kinda meaningless

anyway, I didnt realise there were so many people around with peanut addictions. Must be horrible being unable to go without eating nuts for more then a few hours.
I’ll answer this part- it’s 5/5
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Old Jun 8, 2022, 5:45 am
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Originally Posted by aceman
wow there's some hilarious posts here, I think we've really managed to scrape the bottom of peoples intelligence in a lot of cases.
"nice try to get an upgrade chancer" -er, there are a few sections in economy on longhaul flights, perhaps they meant that
Well.. there are 2 Sections to Economy on this aircraft configuration. The Front with 9 Rows and the Rear with 13 Rows. As the passenger in the complaint was '10 Rows Behind' it suggests that they were at the very rear of the WT Cabin and 'Nut Man' was near the front.

If they'd have moved forward i'd have thought that they'd probably end up being closer to them tbh.
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