BA to offer discounted rapid COVID-19 test kits for travellers to take abroad
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This is great news. When I returned from the USA a couple of weeks ago we had to pay $300 each for a test. This test is valid for pre-arrival testing for travel to the UK. The official price is £39 but BA customers are entitled to a 15% discount using the discount code BATRAVEL15.
More details and to order look here: https://qured.com/returning-to-engla...source=website |
If this is widely accepted, this is a brilliant step forward and well done BA and Qured
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Their claim that it ensures a ‘fast track experience at the airport’ is a bold one. With people having to wait up to seven hours in a queue on arrival at Heathrow will this test swift them to the front of the queue? I presume not. I can understand how it might help at check in and boarding but not at immigration when there are already a thousand people in the queue when you arrive and only a handful of booths open processing those people.
The whole issue around making travel easier seems complex and needs sorting and although this seems like a good step forward it’s not going to solve some of the bigger issues. If the queues are seven hours with travel as light as it is now imagine what they will be like when larger numbers return. |
As far as I know, there are no countries which accept a self test as evidence, it's always a lab result, sometimes even to specific technologies or languages the lab result is presented in.
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The only issue I foresee is availability of slots for the video if each test takes 20 mins. One health advisor will be able to do 3 tests an hour so if there is 10,000 passengers a day you will need about 140 advisors working 24 hours a day to deal with everybody. This assumes you will be able to book slots 24 hours a day - which of course you will need to if you're on different time zones.
Its a step forwards albeit a small one. |
Also assumes a good enough internet connection for a predictable and stable video call.
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Originally Posted by BerksFlyer
(Post 33076162)
Their claim that it ensures a ‘fast track experience at the airport’ is a bold one. With people having to wait up to seven hours in a queue on arrival at Heathrow will this test swift them to the front of the queue? I presume not. I can understand how it might help at check in and boarding but not at immigration when there are already a thousand people in the queue when you arrive and only a handful of booths open processing those people.
The whole issue around making travel easier seems complex and needs sorting and although this seems like a good step forward it’s not going to solve some of the bigger issues. If the queues are seven hours with travel as light as it is now imagine what they will be like when larger numbers return. |
Originally Posted by swiss_global
(Post 33076166)
As far as I know, there are no countries which accept a self test as evidence, it's always a lab result, sometimes even to specific technologies or languages the lab result is presented in.
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Originally Posted by sunshinebob
(Post 33076169)
The only issue I foresee is availability of slots for the video if each test takes 20 mins. One health advisor will be able to do 3 tests an hour so if there is 10,000 passengers a day you will need about 140 advisors working 24 hours a day to deal with everybody. This assumes you will be able to book slots 24 hours a day - which of course you will need to if you're on different time zones.
Its a step forwards albeit a small one. This option is £33.15 and can be done from the comfort of your hotel, office or home and results uploaded to the App 20 minutes later. That’s a huge step forward in my book. Especially when you look at the inconvenience and expense of the alternatives. |
I think this is a massive step forward in helping some normality to return, especially if other countries start to accept it outgoing.
Now if only the NHS home test could be used that would be amazing. My wife it doing two of them a week currently being a teacher. Though on one verifies it was actually her that took the test. |
Sorry if I miss one key point: is this test allowed as a valid test for arrival/returning into the UK? If so, it's the best thing BA did since they introduced Mount Gay rum on BoB.
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Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 33076205)
Sorry if I miss one key point: is this test allowed as a valid test for arrival/returning into the UK? If so, it's the best thing BA did since they introduced Mount Gay rum on BoB.
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Originally Posted by Pilot37
(Post 33076220)
Yes - this test is recognised as an approved test by the Govt for the pre-departure 72hr test to be taken before coming to the U.K.
Pilot37 |
Originally Posted by Paul Banks
(Post 33076200)
I think this is a massive step forward in helping some normality to return, especially if other countries start to accept it outgoing.
Now if only the NHS home test could be used that would be amazing. My wife it doing two of them a week currently being a teacher. Though [no] one verifies it was actually her that took the test. |
I assume two of these can't be used instead of the £210 tests one has to buy, even if not staying long enough to use, after arriving in the UK?
Edit: Answered my own question. As expected, the answer is a clear No :) |
Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 33076252)
And that’s why this test must be done remotely in front of a Qured Health Advisor for the results to be valid under UK law and a Fit to Fly Certificate issued.
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Originally Posted by swiss_global
(Post 33076166)
As far as I know, there are no countries which accept a self test as evidence, it's always a lab result, sometimes even to specific technologies or languages the lab result is presented in.
I must be added that the price is extremely reasonable compared with the gouging that is taking place elsewhere - France is an exception. I was tested and it cost €0 - |
Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 33076262)
So, to enter the country one must have a test administered by/in front of a health official... but to leave self isolation one must do the £210 NHS test by him/herself, correct? Isn't that a bit inconsistent?
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 33076275)
Not really, the £210 (quarantine day 2 and 8) tests do not grant you entry to the UK and do not allow you to escape from your self-isolation or quarantine. Those tests are monitoring tests only. All positive results will be further analysed to check for any new variants coming in from abroad.
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Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 33076278)
I was referring to the methodology of the test. In one case it must be done under supervision, in another I can do it by myself...
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 33076281)
The supervision is a requirement for the purpose of establishing and confirming identity and to allow the subsequent issue of a Fit to Fly Certificate to permit travel to the UK.
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Originally Posted by Ldnn1
(Post 33076309)
It is not a requirement under the entry regime that a test is supervised. There is nothing preventing you doing an unsupervised home test kit (like the NHS one, but private) which gets sent off to a laboratory, and those tests are fine for entering the UK, even though it is quite obvious that you could use someone else's sample. But clearly no provider worth its salt is going to allow you to effectively self-certify a result at home.
Once you've taken the test with the Qured Health Advisor you are required to take a clear photograph of the result placed next to your photo ID and email it to Qured for validation. Validations take approximately one hour. |
Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 33076374)
For the purposes of this topic it is required. When you register with (and subsequently order a test from) Qured you must enter your passport number and name as it appears in your passport. This is a vital part of the VeriFly integration and part of the identification process that gives this test efficacy in validating the Fit to Fly certificate.
Once you've taken the test with the Qured Health Advisor you need to take a clear picture the result placed next to your photo ID and email it to Qured for validation. Validations take approximately one hour. It may well be a requirement as part of Qured's accreditation as a testing provider in the UK, but that's separate from the inbound testing requirement. |
Originally Posted by Ldnn1
(Post 33076379)
But that's a Qured and/or VeriFly requirement, not a requirement for it 'to be valid under UK law'.
Let's try to avoid taking this off topic with distracting discussion where the laymen jump in and try to educate the lawyers in the intricacies of law and instead concentrate our efforts on the procedures and practicalities of this welcome development. |
Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
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Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 33076262)
So, to enter the country one must have a test administered by/in front of a health official... but to leave self isolation one must do the £210 NHS test by him/herself, correct? Isn't that a bit inconsistent?
Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 33076278)
I was referring to the methodology of the test. In one case it must be done under supervision, in another I can do it by myself...
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Just a word of warning - Qured do our corporate testing - they are TERRIBLE.
Expect lots of issues.... |
This is great news, however its a shame it has to be ordered to a UK address. I'm relocating back home to the UK in April so I may find a way of getting one posted here in the US.
I'm a British Citizen for what its worth. |
Originally Posted by i_travel_for_work
(Post 33076467)
Do we know if countries will start accepting this to enter them? Would be a good enhancement!
Originally Posted by maxpedals
(Post 33076549)
This is great news, however its a shame it has to be ordered to a UK address. I'm relocating back home to the UK in April so I may find a way of getting one posted here in the US.
I'm a British Citizen for what its worth. Citizenship is irrelevant by the way, I suspect the only reason they will deliver to the UK is for logistical reasons. |
Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 33076389)
This is not a discussion about law, it is a discussion about the Qured 'Return to the UK' COVID-19 test. We are discussing an important development that will help those who need to undertake international travel and which will be of great interest to FlyerTalkers, especially once we are all allowed to travel again.
Let's try to avoid taking this off topic with distracting discussion where the laymen jump in and try to educate the lawyers in the intricacies of law and instead concentrate our efforts on the procedures and practicalities of this welcome development. It's also worth clarifying that a 'Fit to Fly' certificate isn't needed to fly to the UK. All you need is a test certificate which has the relevant test and patient details. You do not need something specifically in relation to flying or with passport or flight details. Anyway the option here looks to be a very convenient one. |
Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 33076573)
Is there anyone in the UK you could have it sent to (Qured say it should arrive next day) and have it forwarded to you? There is no specific time you must use the test, once the kit arrives you book your online appointment to align with your flight plans. Citizenship is irrelevant by the way, I suspect the only reason they will deliver to the UK is for logistical reasons. |
Originally Posted by i_travel_for_work
(Post 33076467)
Do we know if countries will start accepting this to enter them? Would be a good enhancement!
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Originally Posted by maxpedals
(Post 33076549)
This is great news, however its a shame it has to be ordered to a UK address. I'm relocating back home to the UK in April so I may find a way of getting one posted here in the US.
I'm a British Citizen for what its worth. |
Originally Posted by Ldnn1
(Post 33076575)
I absolutely agree. I only jumped in because it was you who specifically raised the law in your post 15 and I didn't want readers to be left with the impression that a test to re-enter the UK needs to be either taken at a clinic in person or be supervised online - as that is not the case.
It's also worth clarifying that a 'Fit to Fly' certificate isn't needed to fly to the UK. All you need is a test certificate which has the relevant test and patient details. You do not need something specifically in relation to flying or with passport or flight details. Anyway the option here looks to be a very convenient one. I am not as confident as you are in your interpretation of the Regulation. I would urge those relying on your assertions to verify with the test provider that the test they propose to undertake is a 'qualifying test' and the notification to be provided is a 'valid notification' that properly satisfy the requirements of s.3A of the Regulation. We know for certain that the Qured 'Return to England' test under discussion here completely satisfies all the legal requirements for entry to the UK. The wording of the Regulation is specific, it uses the expression "the test sample is taken from the person ...". Note the use of the word 'taken' rather than 'provided' or 'given'. Given the specific wording of the Regulation I am not confident your interpretation is as reliable or as clear-cut as you assert. The Regulation also states that the notification of a negative test must include: "... the name of the person from whom the sample was taken ... that person’s date of birth or age ... the date the test sample was collected or received by the test provider ...". How can a s. 3A 'valid notification' be valid if the one charged with issuing the certificate has not verified the name and identity of the person who has provided the sample for analysis and is to be named on the certificate? How can they notify the date the sample was collected if they did not witness the collection? How can the notifier be sure the test is reliable if they have not collected the sample themselves, or supervised the individual who did collect the sample, to ensure it was properly executed? I am not looking for answers to the questions posed, or to encourage any further debate on the subject, I raise them in an attempt to show why your assertions are not necessarily as clear-cut as you believe. To conclude, my use of the term 'Fit to Fly' is deliberate and used to avoid confusion, my use of the term is consistent with the terminology used by Qured and British Airways in the description of the service being provided by them (see the BA press release in the OP). |
Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 33076959)
To conclude, my use of the term 'Fit to Fly' is deliberate and used to avoid confusion, my use of the term is consistent with the terminology used by Qured and British Airways in the description of the service being provided by them (see the BA press release in the OP).
I'm sure we can all agree that travel rules right now are a complete mess for everyone and this test solution is fab news in helping to make it easier and cheaper. |
Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 33076199)
I disagree. This is a great option at a great price. I spent hours in the US trying to find a testing centre that could provide what the UK requires. When I did find one it was $300 each, 45 minute drive to the testing car park, 20 minutes wait to be done, a 45 minute drive back and then a 70 minute round trip the next day to collect the test results and certificate.
This option is £33.15 and can be done from the comfort of your hotel, office or home and results uploaded to the App 20 minutes later. That’s a huge step forward in my book. Especially when you look at the inconvenience and expense of the alternatives. |
Originally Posted by Geordie405
(Post 33077285)
I'm just curious what the issue was with the difficulty in terms of finding a suitable test provider here in the US? I haven't been back to the UK in a year but hope to be able to head that way soon and would obviously need a test. Was it here in Las Vegas, and where did you ultimately end up going? If it's easier to PM me than have the thread go off at a tangent that's fine too :)
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Bought mine today ahead of a trip starting Sunday. Well done BA.
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo
(Post 33077406)
Bought mine today ahead of a trip starting Sunday. Well done BA.
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