Why fly BA at the moment in Club, when Swiss offer all of this?
#106
Join Date: May 2014
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IMHO. It's not too late. Of course they can be undone - DO&Co can re-employ their staff (after all they only let them go because of BA's stinginess)
BA needs to seriously think about the future more than 1 month ahead of today, they either have to give up and become the long haul Ryanair, which I'm confident that they can't do competitively , or they need to try to re-establish their reputation and product as a premium airline , which is really going to be tough for them now.
BA needs to seriously think about the future more than 1 month ahead of today, they either have to give up and become the long haul Ryanair, which I'm confident that they can't do competitively , or they need to try to re-establish their reputation and product as a premium airline , which is really going to be tough for them now.
#107
Join Date: May 2014
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Also, let us not forget that BA is currently flying a third of its normal programme. A scale-back of all operations connected to the flying programme would've happened at Do&Co (and Asig for fuelling for instance) regardless of what would've happened. So 'stinginess' is a bit unfair.
Anyway, back on topic: Lucky over at OMAAT has reviewed Swiss on long haul: https://onemileatatime.com/swiss-a34...-class-review/
#108
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Obviously a limited form of competition, but Eurostar has returned to regular catering since yesterday. Compared to pre-covid, the changes are fairly specific: covers of individual dishes remain on instead of being removed by staff, bread and pastries are wrapped in plastic, and menus are moved to online instead of paper. Wipes and sanitizing gel are handed to passengers.
I'm sure they are working on it and expect improvements before the end of September.
#109
Join Date: May 2005
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I really don't understand the point of posting a review of LX flights in the BAEC forum. Is the purpose to 'educate' BA passengers and to 'save' them from flying with BA? I just don't get why turn something positive (a good experience on LX) into something negative (the 'if-LX-can-do-it-why-can't-BA' question asked for the 100th time). No one can answer that question here (disregarding the knee jerk childish answers). BA certainly won't explain its decisions here.
Why not post a nice review over the LH group forum? Can't BA passengers venture out to other airlines' fora to check out the competition? It is not that difficult, is it? And it's quite interesting out there as well. I honestly don't understand what reviews of other airlines are doing here. Everything about other airlines out there is just a click away in other fora...
Why not post a nice review over the LH group forum? Can't BA passengers venture out to other airlines' fora to check out the competition? It is not that difficult, is it? And it's quite interesting out there as well. I honestly don't understand what reviews of other airlines are doing here. Everything about other airlines out there is just a click away in other fora...
#110
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I really don't understand the point of posting a review of LX flights in the BAEC forum. Is the purpose to 'educate' BA passengers and to 'save' them from flying with BA? I just don't get why turn something positive (a good experience on LX) into something negative (the 'if-LX-can-do-it-why-can't-BA' question asked for the 100th time). No one can answer that question here (disregarding the knee jerk childish answers). BA certainly won't explain its decisions here.
Why not post a nice review over the LH group forum? Can't BA passengers venture out to other airlines' fora to check out the competition? It is not that difficult, is it? And it's quite interesting out there as well. I honestly don't understand what reviews of other airlines are doing here. Everything about other airlines out there is just a click away in other fora...
Why not post a nice review over the LH group forum? Can't BA passengers venture out to other airlines' fora to check out the competition? It is not that difficult, is it? And it's quite interesting out there as well. I honestly don't understand what reviews of other airlines are doing here. Everything about other airlines out there is just a click away in other fora...
#111
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I don't understand what you're disagreeing with? Of course people posting about their experiences on BA flights will help others as they will know what to expect. This is the BAEC forum, and of course BA experiences belong here. I mean, you did not have to go over to the LX forum to find out that BA serves sandwiches on its flight, right?
And I disagree with the idea that it is so difficult to go through other fora to find out what other airlines are offering. It's like one does not want to bother. What's the purpose of other fora then? Let's post everything here... (which people already do).
And I disagree with the idea that it is so difficult to go through other fora to find out what other airlines are offering. It's like one does not want to bother. What's the purpose of other fora then? Let's post everything here... (which people already do).
Last edited by Andriyko; Sep 9, 2020 at 3:18 am
#112
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Lesson learnt: They are an evil company and all future refund requests will take the form of a "letter before action".
#114
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To be fair, in posing the question regarding the superior catering available elsewhere, we have now found a reason to fly BA and their presently inferior offering: if your flight is cancelled, you can get a refund without having to sue them.
For all its faults and indeed removing the online option, BA has been pretty good at refunding passengers compared with other airlines.
For all its faults and indeed removing the online option, BA has been pretty good at refunding passengers compared with other airlines.
#115
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I booked a flight with LX. They cancelled the flight. I requested a refund, they refused. I disputed the charge with Amex, they refused arguing I had no right to enter the destination country and it was my fault I could not travel, and not their fault for cancelling the flight - offering refund according to fare rules. I sued them in the small claims court at which point they rolled over and refunded within a few days.
Lesson learnt: They are an evil company and all future refund requests will take the form of a "letter before action".
Lesson learnt: They are an evil company and all future refund requests will take the form of a "letter before action".
I booked a return on my flights mentioned in the original post. They cancelled it while I was in Nice. The e-mail said to click to accept new flights otherwise the whole booking would be cancelled, so I did. This meant I was on Lufthansa flights for the return. I called and said I didn't want to fly Lufthansa, they tried the "but you accepted the new flights" line. I advised them of how bad the e-mail was and then they checked with a supervisor and said I'd be refunded. An e-mail came a few days later confirming the refund (more than double the amount quoted on the phone) and it was back on my card the next day. Less than a week total.
To be fair, in posing the question regarding the superior catering available elsewhere, we have now found a reason to fly BA and their presently inferior offering: if your flight is cancelled, you can get a refund without having to sue them.
For all its faults and indeed removing the online option, BA has been pretty good at refunding passengers compared with other airlines.
For all its faults and indeed removing the online option, BA has been pretty good at refunding passengers compared with other airlines.
#116
Join Date: Aug 2020
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This is true great at refunding, however you would expect them to do so given there strong performances over the last few years. They have money in the bank and assets. Catering could be fixed very easily with some small fixes, hot food not cold and offering better catering in the lounges. To be honest serving a white roll with bacon on it (to which pret do better) could be fixed easily (better roll option, cooked Bacon and hash browns ,simple menu onboard and in the lounge)and I have message BA regarding this.
#118
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Quick answer to the question although I read it as rhetorical
At the moment BA is doing everything within its reach to constrain its cash burn so if you are travelling on BA, a Dunkirk spirit is called upon.
Swiss received a CHF 1.5 billion emergency loan from the Swiss Government so understandably feels less inclined to constrain its costs to the same degree BA is doing
At the moment BA is doing everything within its reach to constrain its cash burn so if you are travelling on BA, a Dunkirk spirit is called upon.
Swiss received a CHF 1.5 billion emergency loan from the Swiss Government so understandably feels less inclined to constrain its costs to the same degree BA is doing
#119
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Anyway, back on topic: Lucky over at OMAAT has reviewed Swiss on long haul: https://onemileatatime.com/swiss-a34...-class-review/
Normally I am not a fan of LX long-haul C, but wow, just wow - this looks great!
#120
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Interesting, when was that?
I booked a return on my flights mentioned in the original post. They cancelled it while I was in Nice. The e-mail said to click to accept new flights otherwise the whole booking would be cancelled, so I did. This meant I was on Lufthansa flights for the return. I called and said I didn't want to fly Lufthansa, they tried the "but you accepted the new flights" line. I advised them of how bad the e-mail was and then they checked with a supervisor and said I'd be refunded. An e-mail came a few days later confirming the refund (more than double the amount quoted on the phone) and it was back on my card the next day. Less than a week total.
I booked a return on my flights mentioned in the original post. They cancelled it while I was in Nice. The e-mail said to click to accept new flights otherwise the whole booking would be cancelled, so I did. This meant I was on Lufthansa flights for the return. I called and said I didn't want to fly Lufthansa, they tried the "but you accepted the new flights" line. I advised them of how bad the e-mail was and then they checked with a supervisor and said I'd be refunded. An e-mail came a few days later confirming the refund (more than double the amount quoted on the phone) and it was back on my card the next day. Less than a week total.