BA codeshares on Kangaroo route and future of BA15/16
Aug 19, 2020, 3:30 pm
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BA codeshares on Kangaroo route and future of BA15/16
With BA codeshares on QR now loaded and bookable to Australia, will this hasten the end of flights on BA metal to Australia?
Would be a shame to lose the option of burning Amex vouchers to Oz.
Would be a shame to lose the option of burning Amex vouchers to Oz.
Aug 19, 2020, 4:00 pm
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I believe that using the 777-300 and with MF crewing this route turned a healthy profit now; would be surprising to see it axed though of course unlikely to return before Australia reopens which is now expected to be 2021.
Aug 19, 2020, 6:14 pm
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Aug 19, 2020, 6:21 pm
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Well Qantas don’t expect to operate International flights until July 2021, so BA have a long time to judge the market and assess its profitability.
I could see the 787-9 taking on the route for BA if demand is still lower though.
I could see the 787-9 taking on the route for BA if demand is still lower though.
Aug 19, 2020, 6:21 pm
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The Australian border will be tightly controlled while Covid-19 is a risk. Will take years to get back to 2019 passenger numbers
ExecTraveller (AU)--->BA, Qatar Airways launch joint flights to Australia
British Airways will add its BA code to Qatar Airways flights to Australia from late October, offering an easier way for its rusted-on travellers to make the long journey 'down under' – especially in lieu of BA's own London-Singapore-Sydney route, which was suspended in April 2020 and may not return until sometime in 2021.
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In addition to being a fellow member of the Oneworld alliance, Qatar Airways holds a 25% stake in British Airways' parent IAG and has confirmed it will fully support IAG's planned €2.75 billion equity fund raising, as well as place two non-executive directors on IAG's board.
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In addition to being a fellow member of the Oneworld alliance, Qatar Airways holds a 25% stake in British Airways' parent IAG and has confirmed it will fully support IAG's planned €2.75 billion equity fund raising, as well as place two non-executive directors on IAG's board.
Aug 19, 2020, 8:26 pm
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I think the 77W will be too premium heavy, i think the 789 or 35K could take over the route, and possibly change to via DOH.
QR is maxed out on rights to Oz, codesharing on BA would be an easy way to another flight.
Also if business / VFR demand is suppressed to the USA for a long time, people might took to safer long haul destinations when they are able...AU/NZ
QR is maxed out on rights to Oz, codesharing on BA would be an easy way to another flight.
Also if business / VFR demand is suppressed to the USA for a long time, people might took to safer long haul destinations when they are able...AU/NZ
Aug 19, 2020, 8:53 pm
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I think the 77W will be too premium heavy, i think the 789 or 35K could take over the route, and possibly change to via DOH.
QR is maxed out on rights to Oz, codesharing on BA would be an easy way to another flight.
Also if business / VFR demand is suppressed to the USA for a long time, people might took to safer long haul destinations when they are able...AU/NZ
QR is maxed out on rights to Oz, codesharing on BA would be an easy way to another flight.
Also if business / VFR demand is suppressed to the USA for a long time, people might took to safer long haul destinations when they are able...AU/NZ
That said, the persuasive voice of BA's financial investor may be enough to make that happen, although from a service perspective I know which metal I'd prefer to be on, but give me SIN over DOH any day.
I definitely see a role for the 35K on SYD at some point.
Aug 20, 2020, 12:01 am
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I don't claim to be an expert on Aussie parlance, but that's a new one for me!
What, in Australia, does "rusted-on" mean, specifically when used to describe BA travellers? (They surely are not referring to my ilk - Bronze card holders!!!)
Aug 20, 2020, 12:18 am
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Been there so long that they've had enough time to turn to rust.
Perhaps many people here, really haha
Aug 20, 2020, 12:28 am
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The logical fallacy of this particular journalistic flourish is of course that flying a BA codeshare on a QR frame is not 'flying BA' per se and the thing someone taking such an option is really 'rusted-on' to is the bonus Avios for Tier Status that a BA flight code gets you which QR does not.
Aug 20, 2020, 12:38 am
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Aug 20, 2020, 1:01 am
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I also think you’ve seen the last BA flight to SYD for a good few years. The market is expected to START to recover next year. That recovery will take years.
Aug 20, 2020, 1:32 am
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I think the 77W will be too premium heavy, i think the 789 or 35K could take over the route, and possibly change to via DOH.
QR is maxed out on rights to Oz, codesharing on BA would be an easy way to another flight.
Also if business / VFR demand is suppressed to the USA for a long time, people might took to safer long haul destinations when they are able...AU/NZ
QR is maxed out on rights to Oz, codesharing on BA would be an easy way to another flight.
Also if business / VFR demand is suppressed to the USA for a long time, people might took to safer long haul destinations when they are able...AU/NZ
Something like BA1 to down under might be interesting (not that the A318 has the range even with one stop en route)
Aug 20, 2020, 2:22 am
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Begs the question if BA will look into a "project sunrise" type service with a reconfigured A350 or 777X to do LHR SYD non stop direct. It would be premium heavy at 18 hours flying non stop and the numbers wanting to do that would be small anyway (I think in Economy or even Premium Economy it would be a grueling run) and for those that want a break you can go via Qatar (on a BA/QR codeshare agreement) or via Singapore (on a BA/QF agreement). However, one could ask who wants to be on a plane for 18 hours after the world of COVID and are we going to want shorter flights or stopovers rather than long marathon runs around the world....
FD.
FD.