Jul 17, 2020, 12:26 pm
Last edit by: bscooter26
With the sad news from Waterside marking an immediate end of life for the venerable Boeing 747-400, our eyes will be on our bookings as we await news of exactly which replacement aircraft type will take us to our destinations.
Listed below are the routes the 744 served in pre COVID times. Please add notes of replacement aircraft as and when the updates trickle through.
Accra
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Austin
Sep: no service
Bahrain
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER
Boston
Sep: 2x daily 777-200ER/A350-1000
Cape Town
Sep: 3x weekly 777-300ER
Chicago
Sep: 2x daily 787-9/A350-1000
Dallas Fort Worth
Sep: 1x daily 787-10
Denver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Feb 21: 1 x daily 787-9
Dubai
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Houston
Sep: 5x weekly 777-200ER
Johannesburg
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER
Kuwait City
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER
Lagos
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Las Vegas
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER (3 class)
Los Angeles
Sep: 2x daily 787-9
Miami
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Nairobi
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER
New York JFK
Sep: 4x daily 777-200ER
Philadelphia
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Oct onwards: 1x daily A350-1000
Riyadh
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER
San Diego
Sep: no service
San Jose, Ca
Sep: no service
October 24th onwards 1x daily 787-9
San Francisco
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER
Seattle
Sep: 1x daily 787-10
Vancouver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Washington Dulles
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Jun 21: BA217/6 787-9
Listed below are the routes the 744 served in pre COVID times. Please add notes of replacement aircraft as and when the updates trickle through.
Accra
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Austin
Sep: no service
Bahrain
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER
Boston
Sep: 2x daily 777-200ER/A350-1000
Cape Town
Sep: 3x weekly 777-300ER
Chicago
Sep: 2x daily 787-9/A350-1000
Dallas Fort Worth
Sep: 1x daily 787-10
Denver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Feb 21: 1 x daily 787-9
Dubai
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Houston
Sep: 5x weekly 777-200ER
Johannesburg
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER
Kuwait City
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER
Lagos
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Las Vegas
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER (3 class)
Los Angeles
Sep: 2x daily 787-9
Miami
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Nairobi
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER
New York JFK
Sep: 4x daily 777-200ER
Philadelphia
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Oct onwards: 1x daily A350-1000
Riyadh
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER
San Diego
Sep: no service
San Jose, Ca
Sep: no service
October 24th onwards 1x daily 787-9
San Francisco
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER
Seattle
Sep: 1x daily 787-10
Vancouver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Washington Dulles
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Jun 21: BA217/6 787-9
Replacement aircraft on BA 747 routes
Jul 19, 2020, 2:50 pm
#46
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A side question, in previous messages in this thread it seems the general consensus is that on routes to africa the 772/77W would be replacing the 747. What is the rational behind this instead of the 788, 789 or A350. Is it all down to like cargo requirements?
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Jul 19, 2020, 3:11 pm
#47
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The A350 is only 3 class and probably better suited to those 747 routes which can drop F. I’d argue CPT needs a First cabin, so that rules out a complete A350 service. But it definitely could take up one flight with the other being served by an aircraft with F.
The A380 is too big for CPT so that’s not an option and the 77W after refit will be too business heavy I’d say. The 772 is split into 2 groups and only the G-YMM* frames have crew bunks which are needed for flights to CPT. They’re planned to become all 3 class so again unlikely to takeover the route altogether.
787-8 is too small and -10 can’t make it to CPT. The -9 could be an option though (depending on demand).
Thats just my views though and I’m sure everyone will have their own.
Jul 19, 2020, 3:53 pm
#48
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The 777X was due to replace the heavy 747 routes and some 77W routes (after the 77W becomes ‘High J’). It will also be in a 4 class configuration.
The A350 is only 3 class and probably better suited to those 747 routes which can drop F. I’d argue CPT needs a First cabin, so that rules out a complete A350 service. But it definitely could take up one flight with the other being served by an aircraft with F.
The A380 is too big for CPT so that’s not an option and the 77W after refit will be too business heavy I’d say. The 772 is split into 2 groups and only the G-YMM* frames have crew bunks which are needed for flights to CPT. They’re planned to become all 3 class so again unlikely to takeover the route altogether.
787-8 is too small and -10 can’t make it to CPT. The -9 could be an option though (depending on demand).
Thats just my views though and I’m sure everyone will have their own.
The A350 is only 3 class and probably better suited to those 747 routes which can drop F. I’d argue CPT needs a First cabin, so that rules out a complete A350 service. But it definitely could take up one flight with the other being served by an aircraft with F.
The A380 is too big for CPT so that’s not an option and the 77W after refit will be too business heavy I’d say. The 772 is split into 2 groups and only the G-YMM* frames have crew bunks which are needed for flights to CPT. They’re planned to become all 3 class so again unlikely to takeover the route altogether.
787-8 is too small and -10 can’t make it to CPT. The -9 could be an option though (depending on demand).
Thats just my views though and I’m sure everyone will have their own.
Jul 19, 2020, 4:29 pm
#50
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I wonder what will happen with ORD. I was booked to fly ORD/LHR in early August on the 297/296 rotation. In the summer that is usually an A380 (777 in winter), but since the pandemic had been showing as a 787-10. To my annoyance (as I was in First) they announced last week it would be an A350. But that seems very temporary, as my return flight in late August is set to be an A380. Normally ORD gets a 747 on the earlier rotation and the summer/winter alternation of A380/777. I will watch with interest, and am fervently hoping ORD does not lose its First cabins.
Jul 19, 2020, 4:37 pm
#51
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On most routes with multiple frequencies, I'm guessing F will disappear from some of the services. JFK is perhaps an exception, but I can definitely see BOS, IAD, ORD, SEA seeing more three-class services than in the past. I can also see routes like SAN, AUS, YVR and YYZ losing F completely, although the latter hasn't seen too many 744s in recent years.
Jul 19, 2020, 4:50 pm
#52
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A 787-9/A350 combo would probably work well. A drop in capacity, but retaining F on one service for those who want it.
Jul 19, 2020, 5:14 pm
#53
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On most routes with multiple frequencies, I'm guessing F will disappear from some of the services. JFK is perhaps an exception, but I can definitely see BOS, IAD, ORD, SEA seeing more three-class services than in the past. I can also see routes like SAN, AUS, YVR and YYZ losing F completely, although the latter hasn't seen too many 744s in recent years.
Jul 19, 2020, 5:31 pm
#54
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Jul 19, 2020, 5:34 pm
#55
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Yeh, I'd agree with that. Perhaps A380 during peak season, but Orlando will usually be the busier route (Disney parks etc). I'd imagine 777 or 789 or 788 on the Miami route as AA has a lot of European connections through Miami. Plus I'd say Miami became a less attractive oneworld hub once Latam moved to SkyTeam. Used to be possible to pick up connections to South America, but that's mostly gone now.
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Jul 19, 2020, 8:16 pm
#56
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Generally YYZ has one flight with F on the double daily. Looking at late fall BA is scheduling the usual 789 and 788 combo for 92/93 and 98/99. Which might be wildly optimistic because I don't see any enthusiasm from the Canadian government for lifting the advisory against international travel. So they might be able to fill the 2 planes inbound with the family re-unification and international student connections through LHR into Canada but Canadians themselves are pretty well trapped in country as far as TATL and beyond travel is concerned. I think if things ever normalize they could run an 8F 789 daily into Toronto but if not AC will be my 1st choice once I start travelling again
I hate the Dreamliners, and would love to see the A350 return to YYZ. Dreaming, I know, but still ...
AC? My last choice, personally, and for a whole bunch of reasons. BA has its faults too, but at least they arrive on time more often than not.
Jul 19, 2020, 8:39 pm
#57
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Very sad news; this may mean I never fly the 747 again.
I also suppose this is the end of F on LAS as the 77X seems to be wishful thinking at 8/65/46/206 and it seems like all the other F birds have even higher premium cabin ratio.
The LGW 772ER in the 32/52/252-ish configurations provide the most economy lift. Are these planned to be kept around? The 56/56/219 A35X would be another relatively heavy economy option that would also kill off F on the route.
I've never flown CW with the technical exception of one leg during the "CW in OF cabin" times. In fact that flight scheduled for LHR-LAS was diverted to PHX; that was really something, flying PHX-LAS on a BA 744. Will miss the 747 a lot.
I also suppose this is the end of F on LAS as the 77X seems to be wishful thinking at 8/65/46/206 and it seems like all the other F birds have even higher premium cabin ratio.
The LGW 772ER in the 32/52/252-ish configurations provide the most economy lift. Are these planned to be kept around? The 56/56/219 A35X would be another relatively heavy economy option that would also kill off F on the route.
I've never flown CW with the technical exception of one leg during the "CW in OF cabin" times. In fact that flight scheduled for LHR-LAS was diverted to PHX; that was really something, flying PHX-LAS on a BA 744. Will miss the 747 a lot.
Jul 19, 2020, 8:41 pm
#58
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I agree that filling two Dreamliners this fall is unlikely to happen, though I would expect any decisions may be dictated more by cargo demand than passenger forecasts.
I hate the Dreamliners, and would love to see the A350 return to YYZ. Dreaming, I know, but still ...
AC? My last choice, personally, and for a whole bunch of reasons. BA has its faults too, but at least they arrive on time more often than not.
I hate the Dreamliners, and would love to see the A350 return to YYZ. Dreaming, I know, but still ...
AC? My last choice, personally, and for a whole bunch of reasons. BA has its faults too, but at least they arrive on time more often than not.
Jul 19, 2020, 10:54 pm
#60
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