MAN to ORD could be on again

Old Nov 11, 19, 8:05 pm
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MAN to ORD could be on again

Wife caught her latest flight back from ORD to MAN via LHR yesterday and was told by a flight attendant that her days of having to change flights in London may soon be over - he claimed that BA is about to reintroduce (or should that be introduce since it was AA who operated that flight) the direct ORD - MAN service due to high demand.

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Old Nov 11, 19, 10:17 pm
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Would be good if it happens but over the 30 or so years I've flown TATL from MAN there have been so many rumours about direct services that simply haven't materialised. In fact the real story has been of failed and withdrawn Oneworld options which have gradually decreased to a single AA flight a day to PHL. As a result, I'm not crossing my fingers nor holding my breath on the basis of a casual comment from a random Flight Attendant.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 10:30 pm
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That would definitely be good, another option for getting to the US and onwards, saving the hop to LHR.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 10:48 pm
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There was also a crewmour about 1/2 years ago that BA would resume MAN-JFK when AA gave up on that route. Didnít happen of course. I donít mean to be negative but my point is these types of rumours have been seen before and nothing has come to pass in the end, so I wonít be holding my breath on this one
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Old Nov 12, 19, 2:23 am
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Originally Posted by Fonsini View Post
Wife caught her latest flight back from ORD to MAN via LHR yesterday and was told by a flight attendant that her days of having to change flights in London may soon be over - he claimed that BA is about to reintroduce (or should that be introduce since it was AA who operated that flight) the direct ORD - MAN service due to high demand.

Fingers crossed....
Please please let it be......the AA787 on that route was brilliant, that plus PHL on AA makes a viable alternative to going via LHR, just wish AA would replace the 767 and put the A330 back on it.

I guess that's the next question, if its BA metal, what metal......
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Old Nov 12, 19, 3:10 am
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Originally Posted by tuonopepper View Post
Please please let it be......the AA787 on that route was brilliant, that plus PHL on AA makes a viable alternative to going via LHR, just wish AA would replace the 767 and put the A330 back on it.

I guess that's the next question, if its BA metal, what metal......
Another flying pig. BA has proved time and time again it has no interest in services from MAN, other than LHR and some weekend work for the LCY aircraft.
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Old Nov 12, 19, 3:52 am
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Not a chance
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Old Nov 12, 19, 4:02 am
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Assuming that the expected ROIC is = or > than the ROIC of a LHR route, where would BA find the frame to fly it? Theyíre already low as they are.

One key development of the last few years in European aviation, together with consolidation, is the end of multi-base operations. With the exception of LCCs no major do them, and with reason: thereís no money to be had in them.
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Old Nov 12, 19, 4:15 am
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Originally Posted by tuonopepper View Post
, just wish AA would replace the 767 and put the A330 back on it.
Seems that itís going to B788 from Feb 2020 (at least for a while)
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Old Nov 12, 19, 4:34 am
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I would take this with a pinch of salt.
We are talking about London Airways, remember.
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Old Nov 12, 19, 5:59 am
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Originally Posted by 13901 View Post
Assuming that the expected ROIC is = or > than the ROIC of a LHR route, where would BA find the frame to fly it? Theyíre already low as they are.

One key development of the last few years in European aviation, together with consolidation, is the end of multi-base operations. With the exception of LCCs no major do them, and with reason: thereís no money to be had in them.
Well there is also the exception of Lufthansa with MUC and FRA still, but general point is valid. If MAN-ORD were to come back Iíd think more likely on AA than BA.
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Old Nov 12, 19, 6:09 am
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Originally Posted by tuonopepper View Post
Please please let it be......the AA787 on that route was brilliant
The on-time performance of the B787 service was atrocious... until last year, when they canned the route!
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Old Nov 12, 19, 6:27 am
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Originally Posted by rapidex View Post
Another flying pig. BA has proved time and time again it has no interest in services from MAN, other than LHR and some weekend work for the LCY aircraft.
Hello, Flying Pig here. I tend to agree though although I am surprised that IAG have not used the Thomas Cook opportunity to push back against Virgin ex MAN.
Much of the traffic heading East has been ceded to the ME3 (although with QR/AY they maintain a very small stake in the game) and it appears that they are willing to concede the westbound to VS/DL. As a shareholder I support the LHR/MAD (and DUB) hubbing strategy but with more capacity being added in by competitors from smaller airports the danger is that the connecting traffic continues to reduce and go elsewhere. Rumours persist of QR for example looking to base some 321LRs in the UK to cream off traffic from secondary points. Given how they reacted to DY ex LGW I am surprised to see IAG just ignoring this market.
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Old Nov 12, 19, 7:13 am
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Hello, Flying Pig here. I tend to agree though although I am surprised that IAG have not used the Thomas Cook opportunity to push back against Virgin ex MAN.
Much of the traffic heading East has been ceded to the ME3 (although with QR/AY they maintain a very small stake in the game) and it appears that they are willing to concede the westbound to VS/DL. As a shareholder I support the LHR/MAD (and DUB) hubbing strategy but with more capacity being added in by competitors from smaller airports the danger is that the connecting traffic continues to reduce and go elsewhere. Rumours persist of QR for example looking to base some 321LRs in the UK to cream off traffic from secondary points. Given how they reacted to DY ex LGW I am surprised to see IAG just ignoring this market.
I don't pretend to fully understand the cross shareholding, but at face value isn't QR doing anything in direct competition with IAG a bit self defeating.
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Old Nov 12, 19, 7:20 am
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Qatar Airways would need to establish a UK/EU subsidiary, get all the necessary approvals and so on. Seems a lot of effort.
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