BA835 - 14/06 - Hard Landing then Go Around
Jun 15, 2019, 12:35 pm
#61
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In military comms you will hear a two word response of "Wait Out", which means "I am going to have to do something and will come back to you". eg "Contact, Wait Out" which means "somebody is shooting at me, and as soon as I know what is going on I will let you know".
The radio net is supposed to go very quiet to allow them full precedence, a bit like "Mayday, Mayday"!
The radio net is supposed to go very quiet to allow them full precedence, a bit like "Mayday, Mayday"!
Jun 15, 2019, 12:46 pm
#62
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All very similar to race control comms at motor racing track events, possibly because a lot are ex military. "Wait out" is very common if there has been an incident and race control are dealing with it...earily quiet over the radio. The longer the silence the more serious it tends to be.
anyways, back to touch n goes.
anyways, back to touch n goes.
Jun 15, 2019, 1:15 pm
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In military comms you will hear a two word response of "Wait Out", which means "I am going to have to do something and will come back to you". eg "Contact, Wait Out" which means "somebody is shooting at me, and as soon as I know what is going on I will let you know".
The radio net is supposed to go very quiet to allow them full precedence, a bit like "Mayday, Mayday"!
The radio net is supposed to go very quiet to allow them full precedence, a bit like "Mayday, Mayday"!
Glad to hear that touching before going around is as rare as I thought. My wife backed up thought that we didn't bounce and go around. We were rolling for long enough for us to look at each other and say something about how hard the landing was, then we went around.
On YouTube there is a 787 doing a similar thing on the same runway although this was a bounce and we were rolling.
Jun 16, 2019, 10:25 am
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BA has a policy which states that after two missed attempts they would normally divert unless a significant improvement in the weather has happened or is likely to happen very shortly. We do not, as previously stated, take part in LAHSOs, and in the US you can be no9 on the Approach and still be cleared to land, it is the way the cousins do it. The last point of a go around is selection of reverse, only then are you committed to land. Pilots are taught early on to throw away a landing that isn’t right, it is the safest course of action, rarely would we consider continuing with a problem and KARFA outlines this well, a cargo fire would be a good example of continue with the approach. There is no shame in admitting you have cocked up a landing, safe pilots would do that, pressing on when things were not right would be dangerous. Bounce GAs are not common but a low level Ga can lead to a brush. A bounce can be better dealt with by Going around than attempting to continue with an already bad landing.
Jun 16, 2019, 3:12 pm
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As another ATCO, I assume a slow clearance of the runway by the one ahead.
In Mil ATC, landing with one on is common ... but then arrestor hooks and brake 'chutes do help, as well as being able to pass to the side [fast-jets only]. I've cleared a/c to land in turn with 5 ahead and 6 on, in a very intense recovery period (34 RAAF Mirages)
In Mil ATC, landing with one on is common ... but then arrestor hooks and brake 'chutes do help, as well as being able to pass to the side [fast-jets only]. I've cleared a/c to land in turn with 5 ahead and 6 on, in a very intense recovery period (34 RAAF Mirages)
Jun 16, 2019, 3:13 pm
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i don’t think this is the case. There is at least one story upthread of landing on the third attempt and I have heard similar stories elsewhere as well. As always you are limited by your fuel and if the weather is really bad it may be there is no point continually trying the same thing and expecting a different result.
Why would there be blushes? I don’t see why they would lie? Wind is tricky, it’s not embarrassing to say the aircraft wasn’t stable because of it? On the 5/6 go arounds I have experienced (all BA) the crew have always been open about the reasons on the PA - there was one occasion involving an airprox which was subsequently investigated and reported on by the airprox board where the crew were very reticent to give a clear reason over the pa (they didn’t try and blame something else tho), although knowing they would be reporting it I can fully understand the crew’s wish not to say too much publicly.
As for the two tries, I was told by a BA captain that generally they are only allowed two goes when the issue is weather. I have the utmost respect for aircrew professionalism generally - I have probably had 20-30 go arounds and have never felt unsafe. I have had an aborted take off only once, at LHR in the halcyon days of the BD Belfast shuttle...
Jun 17, 2019, 1:51 am
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