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BA835 - 14/06 - Hard Landing then Go Around
Hi all,
Had a bit of a funny experience today and wondered how common this is? Very bumpy approach into Heathrow today, seemed faster than usual on final and with an almighty bang we touched down but then took off again. I know go arounds are more than standard but how often are go arounds happening after touching the tarmac? Then oddly enough the captain came on the PA to say that both it was windy but the go around was caused by a plane on the runway. I have a light pilots licence and if that was the case the controller would have asked for a go around way before touching the runway. Maybe he was just embarrassed to admit that he couldn't quite handle the aircraft during those particular challenging conditions. it just seemed very contradictory. All in all they did a great job and I'm sure we were very safe at all times so congrats for landing in those conditions. Was very gusty indeed. |
For those who haven't yet memorised... etc., BA835 is, apparently, DUB-LHR.
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Originally Posted by Misco60
(Post 31203166)
For those who haven't yet memorised... etc., BA835 is, apparently, DUB-LHR.
Could’ve noted that without the tone |
Originally Posted by mikeyfly
(Post 31203179)
Really ? :rolleyes:
Could’ve noted that without the tone |
Originally Posted by eugegall
(Post 31203140)
I have a light pilots licence and if that was the case the controller would have asked for a go around way before touching the runway. Maybe he was just embarrassed to admit that he couldn't quite handle the aircraft during those particular challenging conditions. it just seemed very contradictory. . And go arounds do happen once the wheels have touched the runway. |
Maybe he forgot to put the arrestor hook down?
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Originally Posted by UKtravelbear
(Post 31203191)
Somehow I don't think that is the case.
And go arounds do happen once the wheels have touched the runway. I also cant imagine the ATC would grant permission to land with another aircraft in the way. |
ATC can grant permission (in fact it is classed an a Land After instruction, not a clearance or permission) for an aircraft to land with another still on the runway, there are various criteria that need to be extant for this to happen. If the go around is instructed at the latest point it could be, then in windy and turbulent conditions a touchdown could occur before climbing away. |
As another ATCO, I assume a slow clearance of the runway by the one ahead.
In Mil ATC, landing with one on is common ... but then arrestor hooks and brake 'chutes do help, as well as being able to pass to the side [fast-jets only]. I've cleared a/c to land in turn with 5 ahead and 6 on, in a very intense recovery period (34 RAAF Mirages) ;) |
It's possible they were instructed to go around so late that the wheels touched. If it was a hard landing the airplane likely bounced. Most airlines, mine included, require a go around after a bounce (not just a skip) due to the likelihood of major problems occurring trying to recover from the bounce (for example, the airplane I fly, if you bounce and didn't have the power at idle, then bring the power to idle, the ground spoilers will extend even while still flying, a very bad scenario indeed). As a result, go arounds are mandatory following a bounce. Saying that traffic was the cause is just covering your butt :-)
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As mentioned, could be traffic not getting off the runway fast enough, if there was an intersecting runway, perhaps other traffic was given LAHSO instructions and botched it, could be any # of possible explanations.
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Tower
(Post 31203283)
ATC can grant permission (in fact it is classed an a Land After instruction, not a clearance or permission) for an aircraft to land with another still on the runway, there are various criteria that need to be extant for this to happen. If the go around is instructed at the latest point it could be, then in windy and turbulent conditions a touchdown could occur before climbing away. How often would a go around result after touching down? 1 in 10 go around? Less? More? |
Originally Posted by T8191
(Post 31203304)
As another ATCO, I assume a slow clearance of the runway by the one ahead.
In Mil ATC, landing with one on is common ... but then arrestor hooks and brake 'chutes do help, as well as being able to pass to the side [fast-jets only]. I've cleared a/c to land in turn with 5 ahead and 6 on, in a very intense recovery period (34 RAAF Mirages) ;) |
Originally Posted by Raymoland
(Post 31203373)
It's possible they were instructed to go around so late that the wheels touched. If it was a hard landing the airplane likely bounced. Most airlines, mine included, require a go around after a bounce (not just a skip) due to the likelihood of major problems occurring trying to recover from the bounce (for example, the airplane I fly, if you bounce and didn't have the power at idle, then bring the power to idle, the ground spoilers will extend even while still flying, a very bad scenario indeed). As a result, go arounds are mandatory following a bounce. Saying that traffic was the cause is just covering your butt :-)
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Originally Posted by GetSetJetSet
(Post 31203376)
As mentioned, could be traffic not getting off the runway fast enough, if there was an intersecting runway, perhaps other traffic was given LAHSO instructions and botched it, could be any # of possible explanations.
EDIT: I have had a baulked landing once before. The reason was on shortish runway at the last moment they thought they were going long and were going to miss the touch down zone. The captain was very open and honest about it during the PA once we were back in the circuit and also when I had a chat with him after - it was my first ever go around so thought it was an event worth noting, |
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