Your lifejacket is underneath your seat (or is it?)
May 3, 2019, 10:00 pm
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And we have a successful water evacuation of a floating plane in subtropical waters. Looks like the life rafts even got used. (The US military uses civilian charter planes on a regular basis rather than keeping passenger service in-house in many cases)
https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/jacks...s-river-water/
https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/jacks...s-river-water/
May 3, 2019, 10:33 pm
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I don't know the stats, but life vests can also cause loss of life in an emergency evacuation if passengers inflate them too early and this prevents people from getting to/through the emergency exits.
I always go a little bit crazy when the safety announcement/video says that premium cabin lifevests can be found EITHER under your seat OR under the center armrest OR adjacent to your seat OR *somewhere on the aircraft* I suppose. Why can't they just specifically state where to find the lifevest on the particular aricraft type? It's especially annoying when the video seems tailored to the aircraft type on other features or (increasingly rare but worse) when there's a live safety demo by the FAs.
I always go a little bit crazy when the safety announcement/video says that premium cabin lifevests can be found EITHER under your seat OR under the center armrest OR adjacent to your seat OR *somewhere on the aircraft* I suppose. Why can't they just specifically state where to find the lifevest on the particular aricraft type? It's especially annoying when the video seems tailored to the aircraft type on other features or (increasingly rare but worse) when there's a live safety demo by the FAs.
May 4, 2019, 2:42 am
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And we have a successful water evacuation of a floating plane in subtropical waters. Looks like the life rafts even got used. (The US military uses civilian charter planes on a regular basis rather than keeping passenger service in-house in many cases)
https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/jacks...s-river-water/
https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/jacks...s-river-water/
May 4, 2019, 9:13 am
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I don't know the stats, but life vests can also cause loss of life in an emergency evacuation if passengers inflate them too early and this prevents people from getting to/through the emergency exits.
I always go a little bit crazy when the safety announcement/video says that premium cabin lifevests can be found EITHER under your seat OR under the center armrest OR adjacent to your seat OR *somewhere on the aircraft* I suppose. Why can't they just specifically state where to find the lifevest on the particular aricraft type? It's especially annoying when the video seems tailored to the aircraft type on other features or (increasingly rare but worse) when there's a live safety demo by the FAs.
I always go a little bit crazy when the safety announcement/video says that premium cabin lifevests can be found EITHER under your seat OR under the center armrest OR adjacent to your seat OR *somewhere on the aircraft* I suppose. Why can't they just specifically state where to find the lifevest on the particular aricraft type? It's especially annoying when the video seems tailored to the aircraft type on other features or (increasingly rare but worse) when there's a live safety demo by the FAs.
Wonder why the powers that be at FAA etc don't worry about it ?
May 4, 2019, 10:02 am
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I find the safety demonstrations odd. I still don't know why it can all be done by video except for pointing out the emergency exits (always two in front and two behind me, never flown where that hasn't been the case) and then they show me where the floor is in case I didn't know where floor-level lighting might be.
I sometimes check the life jacket but always assume they have enough spares to cope with the occasional theft. If mine isn't there when I need it, I'll take it from the person who sat through the entire safety video playing with their phone and then is stopping to collect their bags from the overhead lockers before evacuating.
I sometimes check the life jacket but always assume they have enough spares to cope with the occasional theft. If mine isn't there when I need it, I'll take it from the person who sat through the entire safety video playing with their phone and then is stopping to collect their bags from the overhead lockers before evacuating.
May 4, 2019, 11:46 am
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I find the safety demonstrations odd. I still don't know why it can all be done by video except for pointing out the emergency exits (always two in front and two behind me, never flown where that hasn't been the case) and then they show me where the floor is in case I didn't know where floor-level lighting might be...
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May 4, 2019, 3:30 pm
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I used to like the Jet Airways announcements domestic, in business class your life jacket is under your seat , in economy please use your seat pad instead .
May 4, 2019, 5:44 pm
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May 5, 2019, 12:09 am
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Whereas I don't habitually check for life vests on boarding I do pay attention during the safety briefing. I used to think that the life vests were there more as a comfort for the non-swimmers as in practice they were never likely to be used given that the likelihood of a jet aircraft making a survivable landing on open water was debatable.
Moving on, when I was growing up one of our friends survived a major incident (East African Airways VC-10 crash at Addis - similar to the SIA incident at Taipei). By far the biggest impression that made on me was to remain sensibly dressed for take-off. Rather like the poster before, I keep my shoes on and remain dressed with all the essential paperwork/credit cards/keys close at hand or in a pocket until we are safely off the ground. Having everything ready to go means that you don't even have to think about a bag or looking for stuff should you need to evacuate. Exiting a plane in your flight socks or bare feet and running across broken glass/metal debris/spilt chemicals/burning fuel isn't for me and doing the post-crash debrief in your flightsuit strikes me as wrong too.
May 5, 2019, 3:17 am
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Whereas I don't habitually check for life vests on boarding I do pay attention during the safety briefing. I used to think that the life vests were there more as a comfort for the non-swimmers as in practice they were never likely to be used given that the likelihood of a jet aircraft making a survivable landing on open water was debatable.
Moving on, when I was growing up one of our friends survived a major incident (East African Airways VC-10 crash at Addis - similar to the SIA incident at Taipei). By far the biggest impression that made on me was to remain sensibly dressed for take-off. Rather like the poster before, I keep my shoes on and remain dressed with all the essential paperwork/credit cards/keys close at hand or in a pocket until we are safely off the ground. Having everything ready to go means that you don't even have to think about a bag or looking for stuff should you need to evacuate. Exiting a plane in your flight socks or bare feet and running across broken glass/metal debris/spilt chemicals/burning fuel isn't for me and doing the post-crash debrief in your flightsuit strikes me as wrong too.
Moving on, when I was growing up one of our friends survived a major incident (East African Airways VC-10 crash at Addis - similar to the SIA incident at Taipei). By far the biggest impression that made on me was to remain sensibly dressed for take-off. Rather like the poster before, I keep my shoes on and remain dressed with all the essential paperwork/credit cards/keys close at hand or in a pocket until we are safely off the ground. Having everything ready to go means that you don't even have to think about a bag or looking for stuff should you need to evacuate. Exiting a plane in your flight socks or bare feet and running across broken glass/metal debris/spilt chemicals/burning fuel isn't for me and doing the post-crash debrief in your flightsuit strikes me as wrong too.
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May 5, 2019, 5:44 am
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Cabin crew yesterday incorrectly read the NEO ‘fasten the clip’ safety briefing when we were on a CEO on which you have to ‘tie securely in a double bow at the side’. She did later realise, apologise and re-read the correct version of that section of the briefing. Bit confusing really, not that many people seemed to be paying attention!
May 5, 2019, 6:11 am
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I check every time, even when i’m flying from (say) Alice Springs to katherine where there’s absolutely squat all water involved at any point
I also count rows to the exit, even when flying qantas, and practice undoing my seatbelt
I know it sounds utterly stupid but I do it for a few reasons
1) reprogramming the muscle memory (for example, you’d be amazed how many frequent flyers revert to “undoing the car seatbelt” motions in an evacuation, and this is even more complicated now plane seatbelts vary so much)
2) so if stuff is missing, it can be noted and replaced before it actually is required
3) so the crew have one person paying some attention to them having to stand there and demonstrate things
I also count rows to the exit, even when flying qantas, and practice undoing my seatbelt
I know it sounds utterly stupid but I do it for a few reasons
1) reprogramming the muscle memory (for example, you’d be amazed how many frequent flyers revert to “undoing the car seatbelt” motions in an evacuation, and this is even more complicated now plane seatbelts vary so much)
2) so if stuff is missing, it can be noted and replaced before it actually is required
3) so the crew have one person paying some attention to them having to stand there and demonstrate things
After quite some time, I politely and gently pointed out that it was legally required. Eventually I got one off her colleague.
Anyway, that resulted in my writing to QF, because it could have resulted in their getting into trouble with CASA had I been a CASA inspector. A day or two later I got a call from QF to apologise and to tell me what actions were taken to make sure it won't happen again.
May 5, 2019, 6:39 am
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I must admit I have only recently started checking for the lifejacket, as a result of the discussions here on FT. BUT ... I can’t easily bend over to check the lifejacket is actually there, so I rely on finding the red tab. Somehow grovelling around on the floor for a more detailed inspection during boarding seems a bit inappropriate.
Does the presence of the red tab reflect the presence of the associated item?
Does the presence of the red tab reflect the presence of the associated item?