Anyone on BA492 today (25th Feb) LHR-GIB
Feb 25, 2019, 3:17 pm
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In my company ALL of our FDR data is downloaded and reviewed periodically. They're looking for certain parameters and so on that may have been broken. It'll only ever become public if it becomes a reportable incident and reviewed by the AAIB - else it'll all be kept internally. In other words if something was seriously amiss with the aircraft or the crew actions then it'll all come out eventually - otherwise we can assume it was wholly weather related and nothing more to be said.
Feb 25, 2019, 3:22 pm
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Feb 25, 2019, 3:42 pm
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Feb 25, 2019, 3:45 pm
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I’ve been in a very similar situation coming into (ironically) Malaga on a Ryanair flight about 10 years back. Two go-around before landing. The first very similar to this, exceptionally fresh and lively with the passengers giggling and groaning.
The second attempt was was markedly more quieter but just as hair raising, if not more so.
For the third time the pax were so quiet you could have heard the proverbial pin drop. Upon touching tarmac you would expect the occupants to break into relieved applause but we continued to be quiet as mice until baggage carousels when the hubbub resumed.
It it was frightening for everyone who hasn’t experienced this movement at landing. Which I assume is a large percentage of fliers.
The second attempt was was markedly more quieter but just as hair raising, if not more so.
For the third time the pax were so quiet you could have heard the proverbial pin drop. Upon touching tarmac you would expect the occupants to break into relieved applause but we continued to be quiet as mice until baggage carousels when the hubbub resumed.
It it was frightening for everyone who hasn’t experienced this movement at landing. Which I assume is a large percentage of fliers.
Feb 25, 2019, 3:56 pm
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Looks a bit worse in this video. A good 20-30 secs of oscillation and this is full video including approach and Go Around.
Even hear a passenger say: "I think we might be going Malaga!" They've clearly been to GIB before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ZDaQ0UYZg
Even hear a passenger say: "I think we might be going Malaga!" They've clearly been to GIB before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ZDaQ0UYZg
Feb 25, 2019, 4:15 pm
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Blimey. I've had a few sporty approaches over the years but nothing like that! It's pretty extreme oscillation and then appears to settle and stabilise more or less totally? It sounds from the posts above that this is not uncommon for GIB, but that would have worried me.
Feb 25, 2019, 6:31 pm
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Feb 26, 2019, 12:51 am
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I know nothing... but wasn't it a bit high and too far away for it to be caused by the rotors from the rock? The clip starts just as the go-around is initiated, so the "unstableness" must have started even before that.
Feb 26, 2019, 12:54 am
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yes there are issues. The Spanish are not cooperative on this. If you watch a GIB flight boarding at LHR and if the weather suggests they may have to divert they will offload those who do not have rights to enter the Schengen area. Usually you will see quite a few people with seamen visas being taken off.
Feb 26, 2019, 1:59 am
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You can rule out mechanical problems as the aircraft flew from AGP back to LHR. I don't think it's fair to suggest Pilot Induced Oscillations until the FDR (Flight Data Recorder) is downloaded and assessed.
This looks like being caught in a rather severe rotor effect as a result of the easterly wind hitting the rock, being forced up and then swirling down the other side (on the side of the Bay, where they were turning on to final for RW09).
This looks like being caught in a rather severe rotor effect as a result of the easterly wind hitting the rock, being forced up and then swirling down the other side (on the side of the Bay, where they were turning on to final for RW09).
Feb 26, 2019, 2:53 am
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https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...l#post10400619
Someone on PPRUNE claims to have ‘an inside BA source’ confirm that post 39 on that thread is accurate.
I am not going to express a view - just raise it out of interest.
Someone on PPRUNE claims to have ‘an inside BA source’ confirm that post 39 on that thread is accurate.
I am not going to express a view - just raise it out of interest.