JAL (777) vs BA (787) in First..?
Sep 16, 2018, 11:00 am
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JAL (777) vs BA (787) in First..?
Hi All - I'm planning a trip to Japan next year and want to use up a BA Amex companion voucher to bag First seats. I've flown in a BA 787 in F once, and it was markedly better than other aircraft in their fleet that I've experienced... but is JAL First on a 777 a better option?
There was an old thread on BA First vs JAL First - London to Tokyo but since I'm looking at the specifics of BA 787 vs JAL 777, thought it best to start a new one...
thanks in advance!
Ewan
There was an old thread on BA First vs JAL First - London to Tokyo but since I'm looking at the specifics of BA 787 vs JAL 777, thought it best to start a new one...
thanks in advance!
Ewan
Sep 16, 2018, 11:08 am
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You cannot use the companion voucher on JAL-operated flights. It can only be used on BA-operated flights.
If that is not an issue, JL 777 F is a very nice product (nowhere near as good IMO as the likes of SQ Suite but still very nice), and the food is substantially better than what you get on BA, but for Europe-TYO, it's very hard to get two seats on JL in F using points/miles if your dates are restricted, so realistically, if you have any date restrictions, you are quite likely to be looking at making a cash booking, for about £17,000 return for two persons for discounted F.
If that is not an issue, JL 777 F is a very nice product (nowhere near as good IMO as the likes of SQ Suite but still very nice), and the food is substantially better than what you get on BA, but for Europe-TYO, it's very hard to get two seats on JL in F using points/miles if your dates are restricted, so realistically, if you have any date restrictions, you are quite likely to be looking at making a cash booking, for about £17,000 return for two persons for discounted F.
Last edited by LTN Phobia; Sep 16, 2018 at 12:43 pm
Sep 16, 2018, 11:30 am
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I have an F reward booking on JAL for next spring. It took a bit of fiddling but there is definitely availability.
Chose JAL based mainly on feedback here, the lady on the booking line said she was getting a lot of JAL bookings in preference to BA so asked me why.
As LTN said 241 is BA only. If you need to use 241 JAL is off the agenda.
Chose JAL based mainly on feedback here, the lady on the booking line said she was getting a lot of JAL bookings in preference to BA so asked me why.
As LTN said 241 is BA only. If you need to use 241 JAL is off the agenda.
Sep 16, 2018, 12:39 pm
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It’s a no brainer to go for JAL F rather than BA F in my opinion if you have the option.
One of the two BA flights goes to Narita, the other to Haneda. Currently the 789 only goes to Narita and is quite a way from downtown Tokyo when compared to Haneda.
I much prefer the timing of the outbound JL44 (their other flight doesn’t have F), where you have time to enjoy a decent evening meal, have a reasonable shuteye, and be in your downtown hotel easily by 4pm, giving you time to do some shopping (my penchant as an accomplished nerd is to head direct to Akihabara, but YMMV).
I had the multi course Japanese menu a couple of weeks ago LHR-HND, it was as good as it gets. The Western menu on the return was pretty good too, I chose the Wagyu fillet. And there’s caviar too of course.
FWIW, the Champagne is currently Cristal 2009 and Bolly Grande Annee 2007. Here were four whites on my flights, including a Montrachet 1er Cru 2015, NZ Sauv Blanc, Italian Pinot Grigio, and a Japanese orange wine which I loved. On the reds, there were four, with a Branaire Ducru 2014, then three pinot noirs, one from Burgundy, one Californian and the other from NZ. There were also two sakes and two shochu. Also of note was a premium tea, “Queen of the Blue” from Royal Blue Tea which apparently is a thing, it tasted fine, it’s served cold out of a wine bottle, no milk of course!
Regarding lounges, at LHR you have the large selection at T3, I had a shower in the Qantas lounge and then a couple of cocktails propping up the bar upstairs, but ended up at the Cathay biz lounge propping up their bar instead as the bartenders there seem to be able to operate without needing a cheat sheet, and it was difficult to get any attention at all at times in the QF lounge despite sitting right at the bar itself.
The F lounge at Haneda is pleasant enough, but I wouldn’t care to spend too long in there. FWIW, the F lounge at Narita is in the same league. I found the food options somewhat lacking, ANA’s F lounge is a little better in that respect.
One of the two BA flights goes to Narita, the other to Haneda. Currently the 789 only goes to Narita and is quite a way from downtown Tokyo when compared to Haneda.
I much prefer the timing of the outbound JL44 (their other flight doesn’t have F), where you have time to enjoy a decent evening meal, have a reasonable shuteye, and be in your downtown hotel easily by 4pm, giving you time to do some shopping (my penchant as an accomplished nerd is to head direct to Akihabara, but YMMV).
I had the multi course Japanese menu a couple of weeks ago LHR-HND, it was as good as it gets. The Western menu on the return was pretty good too, I chose the Wagyu fillet. And there’s caviar too of course.
FWIW, the Champagne is currently Cristal 2009 and Bolly Grande Annee 2007. Here were four whites on my flights, including a Montrachet 1er Cru 2015, NZ Sauv Blanc, Italian Pinot Grigio, and a Japanese orange wine which I loved. On the reds, there were four, with a Branaire Ducru 2014, then three pinot noirs, one from Burgundy, one Californian and the other from NZ. There were also two sakes and two shochu. Also of note was a premium tea, “Queen of the Blue” from Royal Blue Tea which apparently is a thing, it tasted fine, it’s served cold out of a wine bottle, no milk of course!
Regarding lounges, at LHR you have the large selection at T3, I had a shower in the Qantas lounge and then a couple of cocktails propping up the bar upstairs, but ended up at the Cathay biz lounge propping up their bar instead as the bartenders there seem to be able to operate without needing a cheat sheet, and it was difficult to get any attention at all at times in the QF lounge despite sitting right at the bar itself.
The F lounge at Haneda is pleasant enough, but I wouldn’t care to spend too long in there. FWIW, the F lounge at Narita is in the same league. I found the food options somewhat lacking, ANA’s F lounge is a little better in that respect.