Club World LHR CAI LHR - with pictures
#31
So just to show how inconsistent BA are if a WW crew operated this flight we would be entitled a rest break, for obvious reasons I will not say how long but it differs due to the different length of duty days, CAI would fall into the 6-10 hour duty.
I guess because as we have more experience we are able to cover the extra workload easier during the breaks as customers should not noticed the reduced number of crew on duty.
#32
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Visiting the Pyramids, Khan el-Khalili and riding camels in the desert does tend to take it out of cabin crew and leave them exhausted for the return flight.
#33
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The lounge at CAI is an absolute dump. Old furniture and very questionable food. Not to mention the fact that, despite being airside, one has to re-clear security to get out of it! I personally wouldn't bother going in at all if I was back in CAI any time soon.
#34
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I've come to the conclusion since being back in Europe after some years in the Far East that BA short haul is much of a muchness. However, Club World and First are definitely a bit of a joke. Everything about it is so far behind their competitors. It's gotten to the point where I prefer flying WT+ on BA. I feel like i'm being short changed paying for CW. It's just not worth it when you compare what you get on other airlines.
Check in
Lounges
Seats
Aircraft condition
Food quantity/quality
Onboard service
All are miles behind even some previously mediocre airlines now.
Check in
Lounges
Seats
Aircraft condition
Food quantity/quality
Onboard service
All are miles behind even some previously mediocre airlines now.
#35
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If the crew had been briefed properly, the OP and his fellow customers may not have noticed. After all, on the vast majority of longhaul services, 50% of the crew will be on a break outside of the service periods - the official entitlement to the break is not really relevant - if the length of the flight, service and pax loads allow, a break will be given regardless.
The remaining crew should be patrolling the cabins at regular intervals and not hiding anywhere.
p.s. Thanks to the OP for sharing their experiences. Despite the obvious and very disappointing failures, it was a very interesting read
Last edited by Bar Operator; Jun 6, 2018 at 7:04 am
#36
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Just to add to the list of those thanking the OP for their detailed report. For me the aspect that would irk me the most is the wine stain behind the table mounting. I would guess that was on the previous sector, and while the carpet stain maybe difficult to shift within in a turnaround, the stain behind the table is relatively to clean up, and should have been done, it wouldn't take long either. Second irk point would be the lack of engagement from the crew, which indeed should be a big part of the CW service really. So I can certainly understand the overall underwhelming verdict.
#37
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What you have to take in to account is that we are on duty 90 mins before a flight and 45 minutes after a flight so around a 7.30 duty, what job doesn’t allow you a 20 minute break to have something to eat?
#38
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In any case, I agree with you.
#39
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I’m not a CAI regular but must confess that in similar scenarios I don’t always give feedback, as I perhaps should (in part because I feel it’s likely to be a waste of time)
Does your monthly grievance bring any sort of useful, personalised response ... ? Or are they so accustomed to you writing that they now have a cut & paste ready to send each month in return ?
#40
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The lounge wasnt so much a lounge lounge as a collection of seats and tables in a corridor. One side had reception and food and the other an satellite duty free shop.
At 7am there were no seats and we stood until a group left and we got 3 seats for the 4 of us.
Food was was exceptionally poor but relatively abundant and mostly consisted of lots of bread.
I havent been in Cairo for over 20 years so I don’t know if this was normal or a temporary location. It felt like a pop up lounge.
Last edited by binman; Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 pm
#41
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@ binman - sounds not unlike the (generic) ‘VIP’ lounge at Abidjan which a colleague and I experienced many years ago.
Within approximately two minutes of entering we decided that the general departures area offered rather more comfort - and hygiene.
Our expectations were very low at the start so in the event it proved more of a mild amusement than serious disappointment.
Within approximately two minutes of entering we decided that the general departures area offered rather more comfort - and hygiene.
Our expectations were very low at the start so in the event it proved more of a mild amusement than serious disappointment.
#42
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The sad bit is that nothing the OP posted came as a surprise to me. Granted, it usually doesn't happen in full combination, but none of the things mentioned by the OP are extraordinary.
Let's face it: BA is milking the London direct market to the maximum, and for anything else is only considered a valid option when they are ridiculous cheap (the fact that OP is travelling CAI-HNL is pretty telling).
Let's face it: BA is milking the London direct market to the maximum, and for anything else is only considered a valid option when they are ridiculous cheap (the fact that OP is travelling CAI-HNL is pretty telling).
#43
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binman - as others have said, a very fair and balanced report;
In October 2013, having become fed up with the quality of BA's CAI operations, I made a decision to start flying QR CAI DOH LHR J and vv - despite the incredulity of some here it was the best aviation-related decision I have ever made. Significantly less cost, better aircraft, far superior flight experience, more TPs (no TP runs required), better lounges, etc it was a 'no-brainer' - helped by QR joining OW.
On just three subsequent occasions (one BA CAI LHR CAI and one BA CAI LHR) I flew BA CW 787 - and was totally unimpressed. As other have stated above, the CW seat is so lacking in space I have described it in previous posts here as a coffin. Fortunately, as it turned out, my final departure from Cairo was only a few months after QR stopped flying to CAI.
In October 2013, having become fed up with the quality of BA's CAI operations, I made a decision to start flying QR CAI DOH LHR J and vv - despite the incredulity of some here it was the best aviation-related decision I have ever made. Significantly less cost, better aircraft, far superior flight experience, more TPs (no TP runs required), better lounges, etc it was a 'no-brainer' - helped by QR joining OW.
On just three subsequent occasions (one BA CAI LHR CAI and one BA CAI LHR) I flew BA CW 787 - and was totally unimpressed. As other have stated above, the CW seat is so lacking in space I have described it in previous posts here as a coffin. Fortunately, as it turned out, my final departure from Cairo was only a few months after QR stopped flying to CAI.
#44
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The BA/AA seat has been done to death here. You really have to ask which compromise you want: comfortable for everyone especially tall people without aisle access, or comfortable for only short/narrow people with aisle access, or unprofitably low density (AA aren't going to get any more of the Cirrus seats that their 777W has, they're far too unprofitable).
I used to go out of my way to avoid AA transatlantic, but the tables have recently turned. I also get to avoid connecting through LHR, which can be a nice bonus these days.
Final thought: I think we can all agree the CAI lounge is a dump and to be avoided if possible.
#45
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Not the most practical suggestion if you are at CAI waiting for the BA flight. It just about beats the non-lounge environment.
From the OP's pics the lounge could be a gentle introduction to what's waiting for you on board,