Do BA oversell First?
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Yes, the do oversell F, although it’s rare that it’ll lead to being denied boarding or being downgraded. Not impossible though.
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Generally they will only overbook by 1 seat in First, and that overbooking gets removed closer to the travel date. Your A380 flight to SFO (for the benefit of those people including myself who are still working on memorising the entire BA timetable) is indeed showing:
F0 A0 J9 C0 D0 R0 I0 W9 E9 T9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O1 G9
but there is one untaken seat, 1K at the moment. So I don't see much of a problem here. It only gets sticky and lead to an oversale in particular circumstances. Equipment change obviously, though going from an A380 to a 787-9 is hopefully not going to happen. Also defective seats and irrops from other services. I remember one case where overbooking did cause problems and that was due to Formula 1 being at the destination: people don't change their minds / travel plans in that context.
F0 A0 J9 C0 D0 R0 I0 W9 E9 T9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O1 G9
but there is one untaken seat, 1K at the moment. So I don't see much of a problem here. It only gets sticky and lead to an oversale in particular circumstances. Equipment change obviously, though going from an A380 to a 787-9 is hopefully not going to happen. Also defective seats and irrops from other services. I remember one case where overbooking did cause problems and that was due to Formula 1 being at the destination: people don't change their minds / travel plans in that context.
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Yes, they do, by up to one. Also, as a bit of OT-ish trivia, AA never used to oversell J (or F). It was only at the start of the JBA that they did so at BA's behest.
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We have a similar concern.
My wife and I are in F on BA287 on the 2nd July.
On Seat Alerts it shows that the only untaken seats are 1A & 1K & 2F with over two months to go.
Does this mean that BA would be willing to sell four more seats for this cabin?
My wife and I are in F on BA287 on the 2nd July.
On Seat Alerts it shows that the only untaken seats are 1A & 1K & 2F with over two months to go.
Does this mean that BA would be willing to sell four more seats for this cabin?
We’ve booked through BA holidays, would this make any difference as to whether the system would make us more or less likely for a downgrade?
Also, my wife is celiac and has ordered the special meal, if downgraded would that be a problem?
Hopefully worrying about nothing!
Also, my wife is celiac and has ordered the special meal, if downgraded would that be a problem?
Hopefully worrying about nothing!
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F3 A2 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E7 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L8 V7 S2 N0 Q0 O0 G0
And this is a flight several months off. So please don't buy into this fear of downgrade mindset that some people seem to foster. A number of us labour on at this, quite a fair bit, but there are times when I question the point of doing so if it has so little effect.
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Not at this stage since with indeed three seats currently untaken the fare buckets are as follows:
F3 A2 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E7 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L8 V7 S2 N0 Q0 O0 G0
And this is a flight several months off. So please don't buy into this fear of downgrade mindset that some people seem to foster. A number of us labour on at this, quite a fair bit, but there are times when I question the point of doing so if it has so little effect.
F3 A2 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E7 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L8 V7 S2 N0 Q0 O0 G0
And this is a flight several months off. So please don't buy into this fear of downgrade mindset that some people seem to foster. A number of us labour on at this, quite a fair bit, but there are times when I question the point of doing so if it has so little effect.
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We have a similar concern.
My wife and I are in F on BA287 on the 2nd July.
On Seat Alerts it shows that the only untaken seats are 1A & 1K & 2F with over two months to go.
Does this mean that BA would be willing to sell four more seats for this cabin?
My wife and I are in F on BA287 on the 2nd July.
On Seat Alerts it shows that the only untaken seats are 1A & 1K & 2F with over two months to go.
Does this mean that BA would be willing to sell four more seats for this cabin?
We’ve booked through BA holidays, would this make any difference as to whether the system would make us more or less likely for a downgrade?
Also, my wife is celiac and has ordered the special meal, if downgraded would that be a problem?
Hopefully worrying about nothing!
Also, my wife is celiac and has ordered the special meal, if downgraded would that be a problem?
Hopefully worrying about nothing!
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I take your point about the very low probability of this happening, this is of course correct. Not everyone is on yet another F flight, however - in some cases we could be talking about people on a very infrequent F flight that was only made possible after a lot of Avios collecting and card spending. It's easy to see why people may be concerned in that situation, justifiably or otherwise.
No problems with a 2-4-1
(and any recent updates to this would of course be good).
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They sure do
I’ve been involuntarily downgraded a few times on the LHR—DXB-LHR route as a GGL. Very annoying but I was well looked after in Club with First wines etc as well as £500 and the fare difference refunded.
Note though that if you partially pay with Avios then these don’t get partially refunded!
Note though that if you partially pay with Avios then these don’t get partially refunded!
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I’ve been involuntarily downgraded a few times on the LHR—DXB-LHR route as a GGL. Very annoying but I was well looked after in Club with First wines etc as well as £500 and the fare difference refunded.
Note though that if you partially pay with Avios then these don’t get partially refunded!
Note though that if you partially pay with Avios then these don’t get partially refunded!
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I'll leave one final bit of food for thought on this - let's suppose that we do end up with a situation where someone draws the short straw and ends up dropping down a cabin. As illustrated by t4wine above, it still is within BA's power to deal with this in satisfactory way. Maybe a few more reports of "well it happened, but BA dealt with it brilliantly and I don't feel disadvantaged afterwards" would go a long way to alleviating any concerns that there are out there. And if other actors feel that these don't need to be reported in the interests of balance, then we can quite rightly call them out on it.