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Old Feb 18, 2018, 7:01 am
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Originally Posted by DorsetKnob
Which I guess goes to show the failing on the flight I had..... a pre-ordered meal for my wife was not available so choice refused, my first choice refused, second choice also refused. That is a pretty high error ratio for a premium product. Bad luck maybe... but good enough? No, not in my books.
Putting aside ‘life isn’t perfect’ or ‘bad luck’ scenarios. If you sat a large group of luxury senior managers in a room from all sorts of luxurious high end businesses, whether it be hotels, restaurants or airlines, I can bet your bottom dollar that the majority would overwhelmingly vote in your favour that this simply isn’t good enough.

I‘m sure whats-his-face(?), the chaperone from Singapore’s First class whom is making quite a name for himself on TV, would keel over at this sort of experience!
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 7:22 am
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Originally Posted by DorsetKnob
Which I guess goes to show the failing on the flight I had..... a pre-ordered meal for my wife was not available so choice refused, my first choice refused, second choice also refused. That is a pretty high error ratio for a premium product. Bad luck maybe... but good enough? No, not in my books.
Yes that's unacceptable.
However the forum doesn't often see complaints from F passengers not being given their first never mind second choice dishes which makes me think something badly went wrong on your flight. I'd be inclined to send them a letter about it and expect some service recovery. I don't think you need to start self catering with these on your future F flights.

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Old Feb 18, 2018, 7:32 am
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Thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciated. ^ I'll have a look and see what is on offer and if anything really grabs me then I'll preorder that but otherwise just go with the flow on the day.

Cheers, safe travels.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 8:15 am
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Originally Posted by flyuk
Um, they do. They are the de facto flag carrier for the United Kingdom.
What on earth is a "de facto flag carrier"?
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by DorsetKnob
Which I guess goes to show the failing on the flight I had..... a pre-ordered meal for my wife was not available so choice refused, my first choice refused, second choice also refused. That is a pretty high error ratio for a premium product. Bad luck maybe... but good enough? No, not in my books.
Absolutely, as I said in my first reply, there is absolutely no excuse for the poor service you received, what you experienced should never happen. Something went awry, and I hope you have made a formal complaint.

If you don’t mind me asking, how far in to the flight did you order your meals? Was this at the start of the flight, or later on?

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Old Feb 18, 2018, 8:27 am
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Originally Posted by simons1
What on earth is a "de facto flag carrier"?
They think they are, and have convinced a lot of other people that it’s a fact.

They are, of course, UK’s biggest and farthest-reaching airline, but I don’t think anyone has the authority (apart from HMQ) to make it official.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by simons1
What on earth is a "de facto flag carrier"?


de facto


adverb
  1. 1.
    in fact, whether by right or not.
adjective
  1. 1.
    existing or holding a specified position in fact but not necessarily by legal right.
    "a de facto one-party system"



Flag Carrier


A flag carrier is a transportation company, such as an airline or shipping company, that, being locally registered in a given state, enjoys preferential rights or privileges accorded by the government for international operations. The term also refers to any carrier that is or was owned by a government, even long after their privatization when preferential rights or privileges continue.



While I'm sure you already knew that, I hope that helps in clearing things up.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 9:53 am
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BA used to have a "rep" on the FT forum..not heard from them for ages. This thread deserves a response. I guess they have given up on that as well now?
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by T8191
They think they are, and have convinced a lot of other people that it’s a fact.

They are, of course, UK’s biggest and farthest-reaching airline, but I don’t think anyone has the authority (apart from HMQ) to make it official.
Farthest reaching, maybe. Biggest - debatable - depends what measure you decide to use.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 9:55 am
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Thanks for the clarity, flyuk ^

There’s far too much misuse of language here, such as ‘premium’, ‘fine dining’ ... and ‘enhancement’
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by simons1
Farthest reaching, maybe. Biggest - debatable - depends what measure you decide to use.
I’ll take a punt on “most aeroplanes”, “longest route mileage” and ... CEO salary?
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 10:00 am
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Originally Posted by flyuk

de facto

adverb
  1. 1.
    in fact, whether by right or not.
adjective
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    existing or holding a specified position in fact but not necessarily by legal right.
    "a de facto one-party system"

Flag Carrier

A flag carrier is a transportation company, such as an airline or shipping company, that, being locally registered in a given state, enjoys preferential rights or privileges accorded by the government for international operations. The term also refers to any carrier that is or was owned by a government, even long after their privatization when preferential rights or privileges continue.

While I'm sure you already knew that, I hope that helps in clearing things up.
So what preferential rights or privileges would you say that BA enjoys from the government? A few rights on legacy routes I guess but I think it's stretching it a bit.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 10:03 am
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Originally Posted by simons1
So what preferential rights or privileges would you say that BA enjoys from the government? A few rights on legacy routes I guess but I think it's stretching it a bit.
Hey, who here is actually saying “Flag Carrier”, apart from BA? Don’t shoot the messenger!

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Old Feb 18, 2018, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by T8191
Hey, who here is actually saying “Flag Carrier”, apart from BA? Don’t shoot the messenger!
See post 179.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by T8191
I’ll take a punt on “most aeroplanes”, “longest route mileage” and ... CEO salary?
Interesting. Aircraft yes. Passsenger numbers no. Salary - Cruz was slightly ahead but quite likely to be reversed in the next financial year as the IT fiasco and falling NPS could be quite painful for him.
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