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Please use this thread to document experiences of the new Group Boarding process in airports. I think it's well known how the previous boarding system works, so just the new process please, so that other travellers can gauge its effectiveness.
For discussion, conjecture and speculation about the scheme, please use this thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1878043-boarding-group-introduced-general-discussion.html
For discussion, conjecture and speculation about the scheme, please use this thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1878043-boarding-group-introduced-general-discussion.html
Group Boarding 2018 - first hand experiences
#841
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 7,464
It appears to work rather well - one person gets the buzzer, then a number of people then step aside not wishing to be subjected to similar shaming.......
#842
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Lausanne Switzerland
Programs: BA Gold; Swiss Blue
Posts: 1,244
Do they ever police the groupings? A woman in front of me at GLA in Group 1 line clearly had Group 4 on her boarding card but proceeded forward quite the thing and ended up being in about the first 10 people out of a full A321 to board - not an eyelid batted by anyone (even about her oversized luggage). I wonder if a simple element to the automated boarded scan could set off huge flashing red lights, fire alarm and water sprinklers for any interlopers.
They would just need to change a setting between each boarding group.
They would just need to change a setting between each boarding group.
The idea of haveing seating in the queues is great too.
#843
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,345
Malaga last month, queues for Groups signed and with rope barriers 1, 2 & 3, 4 & 5 respectively so being 2nd in the Group 1 line was hopeful for an organised correct boarding. Announced boarding started but no mention of by group so all pax moved forward and were accepted from each line. What was the point of lining up by group! Was about 10th to board, no big deal but would have been very peeved if I was at the back of the Group 1 queue.
#844
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Hertfordshire
Programs: BA Gold, Accor Diamond, IHG Diamond
Posts: 553
WAW is terrible for group boarding. There’s a Group 1-3 lane and a Group 4 & 5 lane. Once boarding is called its a DYKWIA competition and general scrum.
TFS on Sunday was the complete opposite however. Boarding was called group by group and anyone attempting to board early was literally shouted at and frogmarched away by the gate dragons. There was then further shouting on the microphone.
What is the protocol when you’re in Group 1 and your companion, on a seperate reservation, is in Group 5? Can they board with you in Group 1?
TFS on Sunday was the complete opposite however. Boarding was called group by group and anyone attempting to board early was literally shouted at and frogmarched away by the gate dragons. There was then further shouting on the microphone.
What is the protocol when you’re in Group 1 and your companion, on a seperate reservation, is in Group 5? Can they board with you in Group 1?
#845
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Southampton
Posts: 221
Travelled in Brazil recently. OT (sorry), impressed by the lack of panic at the gate generally and the willingness to plonk small hand luggage under seats, but Azul's moving magic carpet boarding method was new to me and thoroughly entertaining. I guess it must exist elsewhere in the world as someone will be trying to sell the projection kit globally, but I haven't seen it before.
For general boarding they board every fourth row starting at the back, you line up on your row number as projected on the floor of the terminal and shuffle toward the gate as the line moves. I can't find an official video so here's a holiday clip:
For general boarding they board every fourth row starting at the back, you line up on your row number as projected on the floor of the terminal and shuffle toward the gate as the line moves. I can't find an official video so here's a holiday clip:
#846
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Brighton UK
Programs: BAEC-Silver, AMEX-BA Prem' Plus & Standard, Accor Gold, HH-Silver, IHG,IBIS On Business
Posts: 955
You'd normally ask at check-in ( if not done before) if they could associate the bookings so that said friend then inherits your, more favourable, boarding group. If travelling with friends who book independently then once booked I call BA with the booking ref and ask them to do so that way my friends( who typically travel a lot less therefore don't really care about joining any scheme) then get all the silver benefits.
#847
Join Date: Nov 2017
Programs: BA, Hilton
Posts: 2,092
You'd normally ask at check-in ( if not done before) if they could associate the bookings so that said friend then inherits your, more favourable, boarding group. If travelling with friends who book independently then once booked I call BA with the booking ref and ask them to do so that way my friends( who typically travel a lot less therefore don't really care about joining any scheme) then get all the silver benefits.
However, my experience is that none of this is really necessary w.r.t. the original query. While I have not done so recently, I have been in this scenario in the past. No need to link bookings, visit check-in or anything like that. A simple, polite enquiry to the gate staff ahead of time such as "we are travelling together, would it be possible for my companion to board along with me" was always met with a positive response at a number of airports. Naturally I would apply a "reasonableness" test - making the request for 1 other person is likely fine, if you are travelling with many other people in group 5, I would not do so.
#848
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Brighton UK
Programs: BAEC-Silver, AMEX-BA Prem' Plus & Standard, Accor Gold, HH-Silver, IHG,IBIS On Business
Posts: 955
Possibly some confusion here. Linking bookings does not transfer status benefits, tho Gold members may link bookings as a precursor to making a free seating request for someone on a separate booking (subject to some conditions). When this is done, the other booking will now inherit the GCH's Group 1. Possibly they are manually adjusting groups for Silvers as well, though I have seen no reports of this. But as a general rule, linking is nothing more than a manual note in each booking to identify people who are travelling together, and which is only really meaningful in rebooking scenarios (i.e. IRROPS) etc.
However, my experience is that none of this is really necessary w.r.t. the original query. While I have not done so recently, I have been in this scenario in the past. No need to link bookings, visit check-in or anything like that. A simple, polite enquiry to the gate staff ahead of time such as "we are travelling together, would it be possible for my companion to board along with me" was always met with a positive response at a number of airports. Naturally I would apply a "reasonableness" test - making the request for 1 other person is likely fine, if you are travelling with many other people in group 5, I would not do so.
However, my experience is that none of this is really necessary w.r.t. the original query. While I have not done so recently, I have been in this scenario in the past. No need to link bookings, visit check-in or anything like that. A simple, polite enquiry to the gate staff ahead of time such as "we are travelling together, would it be possible for my companion to board along with me" was always met with a positive response at a number of airports. Naturally I would apply a "reasonableness" test - making the request for 1 other person is likely fine, if you are travelling with many other people in group 5, I would not do so.
On more than one occasion Mrs Clam & myself have made our booking for a flight and then our friends have made theirs. Called BA CS and asked for them to be linked. At this point( soon after booking) our non status friends have inherited ALL silver benefits. Free checked baggage at the appropriate amount for the flight( SH/ LH), free seat selection from the moment onwards, use of business class check in & fast track security. Along with this they have been given BG1 when checking in even if they do this without us present. The last time we did this was LGW-CGN us in CE, them in ET in December.
#849
Join Date: Nov 2017
Programs: BA, Hilton
Posts: 2,092
On more than one occasion Mrs Clam & myself have made our booking for a flight and then our friends have made theirs. Called BA CS and asked for them to be linked. At this point( soon after booking) our non status friends have inherited ALL silver benefits. Free checked baggage at the appropriate amount for the flight( SH/ LH), free seat selection from the moment onwards, use of business class check in & fast track security. Along with this they have been given BG1 when checking in even if they do this without us present. The last time we did this was LGW-CGN us in CE, them in ET in December.
So to be clear, let us take the example you gave of LGW-GCN with you in CE and them in ET. Are you saying that e.g.
- They could have entered a business lounge without having status of their own or you being there to guest them?
- They could pick their seats for free, ahead of the time period they could ordinarily do so?
If so, this is no more than an error on the part of BA. Even a Gold card holder could not get free seating for someone in a different cabin as in this scenario.
If BA policy has changed on this matter, they have kept if very quiet indeed.
#850
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Leeds, UK
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ALL benefits?
So to be clear, let us take the example you gave of LGW-GCN with you in CE and them in ET. Are you saying that e.g.
- They could have entered a business lounge without having status of their own or you being there to guest them?
- They could pick their seats for free, ahead of the time period they could ordinarily do so?
If so, this is no more than an error on the part of BA. Even a Gold card holder could not get free seating for someone in a different cabin as in this scenario.
If BA policy has changed on this matter, they have kept if very quiet indeed.
So to be clear, let us take the example you gave of LGW-GCN with you in CE and them in ET. Are you saying that e.g.
- They could have entered a business lounge without having status of their own or you being there to guest them?
- They could pick their seats for free, ahead of the time period they could ordinarily do so?
If so, this is no more than an error on the part of BA. Even a Gold card holder could not get free seating for someone in a different cabin as in this scenario.
If BA policy has changed on this matter, they have kept if very quiet indeed.
Also to note there is absolutely no entitlement to guest people on separate bookings to board with you. As you advised in those circumstances a polite request to the gate staff should be sufficient and will usually work, but there are some places where you will most likely be refused - GVA comes to mind.
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#851
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Brighton UK
Programs: BAEC-Silver, AMEX-BA Prem' Plus & Standard, Accor Gold, HH-Silver, IHG,IBIS On Business
Posts: 955
The lounge part we guested them in ( sorry should've clarified that part)
Check-in as above used J/ club desks to do so( after i've told them to do so with the caveat that technically we as the silver members should be there so to accept if asked to use normal desks but on this specific occasion a chat with check in staff about it confirmed it was absolutely fine as the bookings were linked)
Seat selection. Able to pick any seat for free immediately after i had called BA and asked them to link/ associate the bookings. *
Allowed Silver level baggage allowance.
Assigned BG1 & fast track security
Totally separate bookings made independently with own unique booking refs and lead pax names maintained.
We are essentially travelling together but had booked independently initially.
*idk if using the words "associate" and "linked" have different meaning internally but I view them to mean the same thing from my end. I couldn't swear to which term any member of BA staff might've said back to me when I've called up to ask for this to be done. It's also never been an issue or anything that needs to be checked and has been completed in a matter of minutes whilst on the phone to them.
My interpretation, as an outsider, is that calling BA and asking them to link the other booking to our own then qualifies those on the second booking to be classed as being on the same booking in some way ergo those benefits then get passed onto our friends / comes under the "everyone on your booking" part listed in the benefits. Whether that's what happens or not is by-the-by. Whatever actually happens has the end result as above. We've done this 3 times, 2 SH and one LH with said, different friends, being in WT/ ET and us in J/ CE & as I said BA staff have never so much as paused for breathe before doing it.
Check-in as above used J/ club desks to do so( after i've told them to do so with the caveat that technically we as the silver members should be there so to accept if asked to use normal desks but on this specific occasion a chat with check in staff about it confirmed it was absolutely fine as the bookings were linked)
Seat selection. Able to pick any seat for free immediately after i had called BA and asked them to link/ associate the bookings. *
Allowed Silver level baggage allowance.
Assigned BG1 & fast track security
Totally separate bookings made independently with own unique booking refs and lead pax names maintained.
We are essentially travelling together but had booked independently initially.
*idk if using the words "associate" and "linked" have different meaning internally but I view them to mean the same thing from my end. I couldn't swear to which term any member of BA staff might've said back to me when I've called up to ask for this to be done. It's also never been an issue or anything that needs to be checked and has been completed in a matter of minutes whilst on the phone to them.
My interpretation, as an outsider, is that calling BA and asking them to link the other booking to our own then qualifies those on the second booking to be classed as being on the same booking in some way ergo those benefits then get passed onto our friends / comes under the "everyone on your booking" part listed in the benefits. Whether that's what happens or not is by-the-by. Whatever actually happens has the end result as above. We've done this 3 times, 2 SH and one LH with said, different friends, being in WT/ ET and us in J/ CE & as I said BA staff have never so much as paused for breathe before doing it.
#852
Join Date: Nov 2017
Programs: BA, Hilton
Posts: 2,092
Check-in as above used J/ club desks to do so( after i've told them to do so with the caveat that technically we as the silver members should be there so to accept if asked to use normal desks but on this specific occasion a chat with check in staff about it confirmed it was absolutely fine as the bookings were linked)
It is also at odds with the process that GCH need to use, whereby manual requests are made to the seating team.
Was this actually tested? Including the waiving of overweight charges, i.e. 32Kg allowance
Silver (and J on LH) gets Boarding Group 2. https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...rding/boarding
I can't see why such a transfer of Silver benefits would result in Group 1.
My interpretation, as an outsider, is that calling BA and asking them to link the other booking to our own then qualifies those on the second booking to be classed as being on the same booking in some way ergo those benefits then get passed onto our friends / comes under the "everyone on your booking" part listed in the benefits. Whether that's what happens or not is by-the-by. Whatever actually happens has the end result as above. We've done this 3 times, 2 SH and one LH with said, different friends, being in WT/ ET and us in J/ CE & as I said BA staff have never so much as paused for breathe before doing it.
None of this is to doubt that your experience is being reported in good faith, but it simply doesn't tie up with what advice is routinely dispensed on this forum by long standing members (no, not me!) so something strange is going on.
Status has not previously transferred in this way. If there has been any change in this space such that it does, it should be top-of-forum news!! It really would be a dramatic change in policy, and demonstrative of a generousity that BA is not known for.
#853
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Brighton UK
Programs: BAEC-Silver, AMEX-BA Prem' Plus & Standard, Accor Gold, HH-Silver, IHG,IBIS On Business
Posts: 955
BertieBadger On the LH our ( 2) friends had 3 large cases with them. I seem to remember the ladies being near 30kgs on the outbound leg ( so over the 23kgs for non status pax but within the 32kg allowed for Silvers/ Golds) if that's what you mean? If you mean over 32kgs then no that's not been tested with friends. Also BG1 was for SH, you are of course right about it being 2 on LH, me over simplifying there.
Seating 100% ive even checked with Mrs Clam as to whether I was 'mis remembering' or that is what's happened and while she couldn't think back to the other occasions she confirmed that for LGW-CGN our friends were able to pick seats, for free, straight after the call was made to BA. She was that confident she pointed out they had one of the wing exit rows and swapped between window and aisle each way and managed to keep the middle one free both ways.
I honestly see it as an extension to everyone on "your booking" getting the baggage & free seat selection allowance as noted in the image. Whilst accepting they are on a unique booking ref I have just presumed that CS linking the bookings allowed the love to be shared with them.
Agree we may be guilty of going OT here so sorry y'all.
Seating 100% ive even checked with Mrs Clam as to whether I was 'mis remembering' or that is what's happened and while she couldn't think back to the other occasions she confirmed that for LGW-CGN our friends were able to pick seats, for free, straight after the call was made to BA. She was that confident she pointed out they had one of the wing exit rows and swapped between window and aisle each way and managed to keep the middle one free both ways.
I honestly see it as an extension to everyone on "your booking" getting the baggage & free seat selection allowance as noted in the image. Whilst accepting they are on a unique booking ref I have just presumed that CS linking the bookings allowed the love to be shared with them.
Agree we may be guilty of going OT here so sorry y'all.
#854
Join Date: Nov 2017
Programs: BA, Hilton
Posts: 2,092
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Seating 100% ive even checked with Mrs Clam as to whether I was 'mis remembering' or that is what's happened and while she couldn't think back to the other occasions she confirmed that for LGW-CGN our friends were able to pick seats, for free, straight after the call was made to BA.
Seating 100% ive even checked with Mrs Clam as to whether I was 'mis remembering' or that is what's happened and while she couldn't think back to the other occasions she confirmed that for LGW-CGN our friends were able to pick seats, for free, straight after the call was made to BA.
Hopefully you won't object if I spin this out into another thread, as it is - as noted - a fairly frequent query. This will avoid further OT in this thread.
Regards
Bertie
EDIT: Discussion here: Status benefits extended to separate PNR - Policy change?
Last edited by BertieBadger; Feb 25, 2020 at 8:25 am Reason: URL for continuing discussion to avoid OT
#855
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: BAEC Silver, IHG Diamond
Posts: 7,781
LHR-HEL just now.
Group 1 called and most people moved forward. Loads of Group 4 in front of me as zero checks being made.
Then get on and find my seat has been torn to pieces and the woman in the aisle has now got the row to herself as I've been shifted back after she let me know.
Can see why I've heavily reduced my BA flights.
Group 1 called and most people moved forward. Loads of Group 4 in front of me as zero checks being made.
Then get on and find my seat has been torn to pieces and the woman in the aisle has now got the row to herself as I've been shifted back after she let me know.
Can see why I've heavily reduced my BA flights.
Last edited by xenole; Feb 29, 2020 at 12:43 am