LondonElite

Actually, I have a more nuanced view. I fly in the UA domestic F cabin quite a bit. Sure, the seats are nicer than those in Y (on both BA and UA), but the cabin is almost always full (the result of elites being upgraded. So you have four or five rows of four seats full. I can't remember the last time I had a seat next to me free. Now, if I'm trying to snooze an a three hour flight, that might be a better arrangement, but if it's a sub-two hour flight where I need to work a bit, I actually prefer the empty middle seat to put some paper on, and to create more distance to the next passenger.

bustraveler

This thread gave me a lot of good laughs. OP - the website is very clear as to what the CE product entails. Did you not read that?
European business class has been like this for a couple of decades at this point. Your expectations were set far different than reality - your fault, not BA's.

HIDDY

I think the product is perfectly suitable and will continue to use it in the future.....as will many other consumers.

simons1

Some fairly predictable replies but you don't get many on board comforts travelling business class in Europe these days

An empty seat next to you and a meal/refreshments worth a tenner at most.

In any case isn't the seat pitch due for further enhancement soon?

PUCCI GALORE

I thought that the whole thing was a wind-up as I just could not believe what I was reading. The OP has been here quite some time - 2011. With the wealth of information given here, I find this ignorance of European Business Class most surprising. I have no doubt that TK would be delighted to take his money - from what I see too and fro IST, they'll take an awful lot of it as well - and how convenient the waiting time is to change in IST I neither know not care.

Had the post been a bit less hyperbolic, it might have attracted more sympathy. Since F in Europe has not been around for nearly 30 years, it's re-introduction is not even a remote possibility. That fact is that some of us are perfectly happy with it as we remember the days when there was no middle seat left unsold.

I think that LTNPhobia has addressed the question in a most sympathetic fashion, and frankly the reception from others here does not surprise me at all as that was the reaction that it provoked in me.

Tobias-UK

A predictable response but yes, in Euro Traveller. The Club Europe seats will be getting a little extra room.

simons1

So will we be back to the good old days where Y travellers try to get as far forward as they can in the hope that the position of the curtain will mean some economy rows will have extra room?

golfmad

A rip off suggests some element of fraud or swindle. How is that the case here? It is a product that is well publicised and documented and moreover reviewed in many places on the internet. Armed with sufficient information - that is not in any way hidden - passengers can decide whether it offers value for money and choose to pay for it or not. It's as simple as googling "BA Club Europe".

I'm not suggesting it's great in many areas but neither do I believe it is a rip off.

LTN Phobia

Oh! That sounds rather good for CE (not said in any kind of sarcastic way, a genuine pleasant surprise).

South London Bon Viveur

The seats being the same is well known- OP won't find a better intra European J product IMO. At least to OTP he would get a decent meal. That said the lack of priority boarding is poor.

scubaccr

not quite

If bigger seats/pitch used for propper business seats, even if just the ones like AA Pseudo-First across for 5hour plus flights across the USA, then cost goes up, or PR MNL-HKG-MNL etc

The resulting larger $$$ demarcation between J and Y on 1-2.5hr SH inter-europe city flights would result in many such J seats not being paid for, aka hitting market pricepoint resistance.

#1son

the above post above says it all

and yes my expectations were far too high

as mentioned above > my ignorance (of the joys) of European Business Class travel is complete ;-)

PUCCI GALORE

Never mind Dear. You are never too old to learn.

BOStonTravels

Is there anything that you don't think is perfectly suitable about BA's products and services? I'm genuinely curious! My impression from your posts is that if you were told at checkin for this CE flight to Romania that you'd be seated in the cargo hold upside down I feel like you'd say "that actually seems quite nice, thank you" Then I'd imagine a post that the experience was quite decent and it's really all about getting from point A to B

BOStonTravels

I love your dry wit! I don't know if you still work for BA but reading your posts always leaves me with the sense you are a real gem and huge assset to the company!