May 27, 2017, 8:25 am
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
All IT systems are back up and running and BA are operating normal flight schedules.
PLEASE ASK ALL COMPENSATION RELATED QUESTIONS IN THE DEDICATED TOPIC: The 2017 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation 261/2004. The full list of cancelled and delayed flights for Sunday is to be found here, though note that it is the arrival time that matters for delays.
Successful (or otherwise) reports for claims where the information would be of use to others would, however, be very welcome in this thread.
Monday flight cancellations for LHR listed here. Services to and from LGW, LCY and STN seem to be working more or less on time.. Telephone numbers for rebooking are in this post, note also the difference between what contact centres and airport staff can do, noted here.
Updated 29/05/2017 22:50 (UK time) Link to BA updates: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...VINF4more_news
Baggage
There are a significant number of bags at Heathrow which we will be reuniting with customers via couriers as soon as we can. This will be done free of charge. Please help us to get these to you as quickly as possible by ensuring we have your latest contact details by filing a delayed bag report.
If your journey was disrupted -
Because of the scale of the disruption, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers. BA have a duty of care under EU Regulation 261/2004 and according to this letter handed out at Gatwick the following costs would usually be claimable from BA.
If an overnight stay is required
Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.
Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.
EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage.
You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.
Claiming expenses incurred during the disruption
https://disruptionclaim.britishairways.com/
Historic update as of 18:55 on Saturday
All BA flights from LHR and LGW are cancelled for the remainder of the day (Saturday 27th May). This is due to a major systems outage of most of BA's computer systems. The original cause of the outage was a power failure from which BA has found it difficult to recover.
Because Call Centre systems are also down, and their own web pages may be affected, BA is encouraging affected customer to seek updates via BA Twitter feed and Facebook page.
Alex Cruz has indicated that those passengers who no longer wish to fly with BA on their booking for today will be "fast tracked" for refunds. However, no mechanism for this has yet been communicated (7pm Saturday). Again affected customers are asked to follow the relevant Twitter and Facebook communication channels.
There are reportedly long delays leaving the airport with some customers claiming delays of many hours.
PLEASE ASK ALL COMPENSATION RELATED QUESTIONS IN THE DEDICATED TOPIC: The 2017 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation 261/2004. The full list of cancelled and delayed flights for Sunday is to be found here, though note that it is the arrival time that matters for delays.
Successful (or otherwise) reports for claims where the information would be of use to others would, however, be very welcome in this thread.
Monday flight cancellations for LHR listed here. Services to and from LGW, LCY and STN seem to be working more or less on time.. Telephone numbers for rebooking are in this post, note also the difference between what contact centres and airport staff can do, noted here.
Updated 29/05/2017 22:50 (UK time) Link to BA updates: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...VINF4more_news
Baggage
There are a significant number of bags at Heathrow which we will be reuniting with customers via couriers as soon as we can. This will be done free of charge. Please help us to get these to you as quickly as possible by ensuring we have your latest contact details by filing a delayed bag report.
If your journey was disrupted -
Because of the scale of the disruption, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers. BA have a duty of care under EU Regulation 261/2004 and according to this letter handed out at Gatwick the following costs would usually be claimable from BA.
- £25 for reasonable meal/refeshment expenses (per adult per day)
- 2 reasonable phone calls per customer
If an overnight stay is required
- £200 for a hotel room (for 2 people)
- £50 Transport to/from the airport (round trip)
Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.
Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.
EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage.
You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.
Claiming expenses incurred during the disruption
https://disruptionclaim.britishairways.com/
Historic update as of 18:55 on Saturday
All BA flights from LHR and LGW are cancelled for the remainder of the day (Saturday 27th May). This is due to a major systems outage of most of BA's computer systems. The original cause of the outage was a power failure from which BA has found it difficult to recover.
Because Call Centre systems are also down, and their own web pages may be affected, BA is encouraging affected customer to seek updates via BA Twitter feed and Facebook page.
Alex Cruz has indicated that those passengers who no longer wish to fly with BA on their booking for today will be "fast tracked" for refunds. However, no mechanism for this has yet been communicated (7pm Saturday). Again affected customers are asked to follow the relevant Twitter and Facebook communication channels.
There are reportedly long delays leaving the airport with some customers claiming delays of many hours.
27 May 'worldwide' BA IT outage | practical assistance/advice [Clutter-free please]
May 28, 2017, 7:53 am
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May 28, 2017, 7:55 am
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May 28, 2017, 8:05 am
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We are on the other side of things -- flying TO LHR from Madrid tomorrow. Flights show all on time for tomorrow -- and some of today's flights to LHR are OK (or running a bit late).
I suspect Monday will be a bit less fraught -- but as a bit of a safety -- we repacked our carry on to include clothes for Tuesday as well.
We're unable to complete check in -- we get past the number of bags to check screen and going next returns an "unable to complete online checkin -- please check in at the airport). Since we are going to be checking bags and flying J -- I hope things work out OK tomorrow -- but frankly this is a serious case of messed up.
We'll be flying out of LHR on Thursday for the US and hope by then the outbound dust from LHR has settled.
I suspect Monday will be a bit less fraught -- but as a bit of a safety -- we repacked our carry on to include clothes for Tuesday as well.
We're unable to complete check in -- we get past the number of bags to check screen and going next returns an "unable to complete online checkin -- please check in at the airport). Since we are going to be checking bags and flying J -- I hope things work out OK tomorrow -- but frankly this is a serious case of messed up.
We'll be flying out of LHR on Thursday for the US and hope by then the outbound dust from LHR has settled.
May 28, 2017, 8:11 am
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May 28, 2017, 8:22 am
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I'm finally seeing the red notice on the app re canceled flight / pls rebook/refund via mmb. If I just let the booking stay as-is, will the return flights be preserved? Thankfully our return isn't until a week from now but I'll try calling in when the dust settles.
May 28, 2017, 8:33 am
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Yes, the return will hold. Give BA a call when things calm down and confirm your plans with them then.
May 28, 2017, 8:35 am
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If there are problems with BA flights, I'm sure they would get you on an Iberia flight. I wouldn't sweat it.
May 28, 2017, 8:38 am
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It's Sunday's BA15 SIN-SYD and Monday's BA16 SYD-SIN and SIN-LHR that are also cancelled as a result of Saturday night's BA15 LHR-SIN not departing.
May 28, 2017, 8:49 am
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UPDATED ADVICE FROM BA:
Flights on Monday 29 May and Tuesday 30 May
If you are due to fly on Monday 29 May and no longer wish to travel, even if your flight is still operating, you can rebook to travel up to the end of November. If you are booked to travel on Tuesday 30 May on a short haul flight, including most European flights, you can also rebook for an alternative date before the end of November.
Flights on Monday 29 May and Tuesday 30 May
If you are due to fly on Monday 29 May and no longer wish to travel, even if your flight is still operating, you can rebook to travel up to the end of November. If you are booked to travel on Tuesday 30 May on a short haul flight, including most European flights, you can also rebook for an alternative date before the end of November.
May 28, 2017, 9:17 am
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UPDATED ADVICE FROM BA:
Flights on Monday 29 May and Tuesday 30 May
If you are due to fly on Monday 29 May and no longer wish to travel, even if your flight is still operating, you can rebook to travel up to the end of November. If you are booked to travel on Tuesday 30 May on a short haul flight, including most European flights, you can also rebook for an alternative date before the end of November.
Flights on Monday 29 May and Tuesday 30 May
If you are due to fly on Monday 29 May and no longer wish to travel, even if your flight is still operating, you can rebook to travel up to the end of November. If you are booked to travel on Tuesday 30 May on a short haul flight, including most European flights, you can also rebook for an alternative date before the end of November.
Sods law really, the first half-term holiday we take and this happens. Mech, everything looks fine for us (touch wood) for tomorrow morning. I do feel sorry for those affected.
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May 28, 2017, 9:22 am
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If I had been the CEO of one of the LCCs I would have seen a great opportunity for a marketing scoop.
May 28, 2017, 9:24 am
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May 28, 2017, 9:32 am
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Just as a data point, a friend was due to fly on BA 242 (MEX-LHR) saturday night and was pro actively rebooked on the Aeromexico flight leaving that same night. So clearly some out stations did have some freedom to rebook on non OW partner airlines.
May 28, 2017, 9:52 am
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Checking in for tomorrow's flight on the app I have been prompted to add/reconfirm my contact details. Was able to check in succesfully so some progress there.
With the option to rebook Monday and Tuesday travel I wonder how many more cancellations are expected tonight and onwards. Doesn't feel much like the majority of services are being operated on shorthaul...
With the option to rebook Monday and Tuesday travel I wonder how many more cancellations are expected tonight and onwards. Doesn't feel much like the majority of services are being operated on shorthaul...